No pumpkins among collectibles

[Sheddoe]

I totally understand you play in a different way to me.
There is no "correct" way to play TSO, I suppose that's why its difficult to please everyone and keep them interested.
It would be a shame if you felt you had to stop playing because of this. Many veterans have gone through phases where they were frustrated or losing interest with one part of this game but sometimes you have to look at the game as a whole and ignore that one part or hope/wait til it's improved.
I wish you the best of luck on your pumpkin drops!

[Urd123]

Found all collies on island again- a total of 11 - and again 2nd time today 0 pumpkins. This has been a joke from the start and still is -- I still need to find 47 and have less than 6 days to do so.
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[Urd123]

Ypu cant make an achievement that favours those who have nothing at all on their island.
That means that the very active players that have set their island up to doing lots of adventures are punished - and those who did not build anything and have an all empty island is favoured. If that is BB politics then maybe it is time thinking about finding a different game.
This is not an element of luck good or bad. It is favouring a specific type of players over others. And it is not the active players- it is those with most deserted Islands.

If this is not just BB using bad judgement and bad algorithms then I will consider doing that.

[Dorotheus]

It is not right that the free space you have on island should determine if you can make an achievement or not. This should be fixed, by setting number required in achievement down - or by making sure we find enough during last week.

Why are you asking for part of the problem as you perceive it to be fixed, if it's that much of a issue why not ask for the rest of the problem to be fixed.

[Dorotheus]

Looking back at this issue I see some have already completed, some are well on their way to doing it, some will just miss out and some have less chance than a spanner in the general vicinity of a pulsar. Impossible is not a word I would use to describe such a situation.

[Urd123]

Why are you asking for part of the problem as you perceive it to be fixed, if it's that much of a issue why not ask for the rest of the problem to be fixed.

It might be too late now - but the xmas event is about to hit us soon- with same issue again. But again it seems it is not clear if this is a feature or a fault. Some seems to think this is how it should be and it is ok that it works that way. For me it is the same logic as if you gave extra pumpkins in the game, to those who picked a certain avatar, or to those who are from some specific countries or have red hair. So it makes me really mad
And if I have got 2 times 0 pumpkins today and have collected 53 of100, I am one of those who have 0 chance of getting to the 100. I am sure I am not the only one. So surely it is not fixed.

[AgyM]

Do we all really think BB will again attempt to address this with only 6 days left................................hmm........... ......................I think not, so we will all be left very annoyed and they will just move on to the next event regardless of how we all feel

[Iolanthe]

The problem with this goal is less to do with how people have set up their islands and more to do, once again, with the Sheer Dumb Luck factor.

This was addressed recently on the US (.net) forum:

Hi,

This specific issue has been fixed and the drop rate is now correct. Because the number of pumpkins you collect is random, it is probable that you collect fewer pumpkins than the average.
The achievement text has also been edited to provide a clearer description.

BB_Endesmor

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and again today on the German (.de). Apologies for the Google Translate-ness:

Hi everybody, today we have discussed the subject again. There appears to be no case "Bug", and due to the fluctuations in the random outcomes, there are players who get there well with the successes and others are less fortunate. We know that this is not really satisfactory for this player. We will continue to discuss this issue and observe internally, but I can not promise to date, that there will be a solution for this in the the current event. Nevertheless, these achievements are highly contentious and we are looking for a solution, the more likely the actual target of these successes corresponds: A job for the most dedicated players, which should be solved with the highest use.

Original

A tip of the hat to Endesmor who was stuck saying something informative that could only end in frustrated players, and to Orowa for specifically acknowledging the clearly fatal flaw of the thing.

To paraphrase: "You've done everything right but due to the Sheer Dumb Luck factor of the programming, there is indeed a chance you may not reach the goal." is unsatisfactory, but it is also at least honest. Fingers very much crossed something can still be sorted for this event, and even if not that the message has finally got through that Sheer Dumb Luck is not a good criterion for time-limited game goals. This is not to say everyone should be able to reach every goal but that too many people will fail, even if they've been absolutely dedicated and done everything "right".

[Urd123]

The problem with this goal is less to do with how people have set up their islands and more to do, once again, with the Sheer Dumb Luck factor.

This was addressed recently on the US (.net) forum:



and again today on the German (.de). Apologies for the Google Translate-ness:



A tip of the hat to Endesmor who was stuck saying something that could only end in frustrated players, and to Orowa for acknowledging the clearly fatal flaw of the thing.

To paraphrase: "You've done everything right but due to the Sheer Dumb Luck factor of the programming, there is indeed a chance you may not reach the goal." is unsatisfactory, but it is also at least honest. Fingers very much crossed something can still be sorted for this event, and even if not that the message has finally got through that Sheer Dumb Luck is not a good criterion for time-limited game goals. Too many people will fail, even if they've been absolutely dedicated and done everything right.

No way it has anything to do with luck, when you for a period of 6-7 go from an average of 20 collies a day to 6- 12 collies a day. Players who have emty islands still find the average of 20 a day, those of us with crowded islands 5- 13.
It has nothing to do with luck. If it was luck it would be random, and we would also still find 20 on some days, but we dont.

[Iolanthe]

No way it has anything to do with luck, when you for a period of 6-7 go from an average of 20 collies a day to 6- 12 collies a day. Players who have emty islands still find the average of 20 a day, those of us with crowded islands 5- 13.
It has nothing to do with luck. If it was luck it would be random, and we would also still find 20 on some days, but we dont.

The number found vs the available space seems also to vary. While more space does generally = more collectibles I have more actual pumpkins towards the achievement than some people with more available space. With 62 I will not reach the "click on 100" achievement in spite of having collected every single thing for the last 26 spawns and almost every single thing in those before I started paying real attention. Some people with well-filled islands have done fine while others with room to spare are collecting diligently and still struggling.

It does seem there is something else off generally, gaining Archipelago sectors doesn't appear to raise the spawn numbers for example, but Sheer Dumb Luck is still a factor. "0" and "1" are too common in the random nature of the thing even in larger total spawns. This is reasonable even in shaky "random" but does not work when the goal is time-limited.