guild quests - lost for words

[Kit_]

I am sure the ones that are the most unhappy are finding it difficult now not getting the coins they used to for NOT doing the guild quest.

This does seem to be the case from reading over some of the replies on here. I am glad they removed the 80% completion requirement and changed it so only those that do gq get any reward. This stops those that relied on others doing gq getting the rewards for no effort. Quests are supposed to be a challenge, not a hand-out.

I have to say I am also very pleased to see in my own guild that some players who before may have been slacking somewhat have upped their game and are completing far more quests. I think this is a mix of needing to do the gq to get any coins and also the ability to do gq at any point in the 24hrs, without getting cut off like before. We have managed 93% completion, with a little over half the guild being lvl 51+. Seems those new quests aren't so hard after all

[gibbletz]

I am sure the ones that are the most unhappy are finding it difficult now not getting the coins they used to for NOT doing the guild quest.

That's a bold statement saying the unhappy ones didn't do GQ's but got the coins anyway.
I will bet my GQ completion record over the past 2 years is more than equal to yours, yet I am extremely unhappy with current GQ setup and new quests.

another ridiculous LVL 51 GQ, "Pay 50 mahogany planks from your storage" when lvl52 is required to produce the planks.
To complete this quest ALL lvl51 players rely on buying Mahogany Planks from higher lvl players.

[Pityaker]

New Guild Quest system is great. Lots of really daft comments with people complaining they cannot do them. Just take a chill pill dudes, you will get a brand new quest tomorrow !!

[Kit_]

That's a bold statement saying the unhappy ones didn't do GQ's but got the coins anyway.
I will bet my GQ completion record over the past 2 years is more than equal to yours, yet I am extremely unhappy with current GQ setup and new quests.

another ridiculous LVL 51 GQ, "Pay 50 mahogany planks from your storage" when lvl52 is required to produce the planks.
To complete this quest ALL lvl51 players rely on buying Mahogany Planks from higher lvl players.

This is not a ridiculous quest. It is not difficult to buy a stock of mahogany planks. The 50 planks required will cost approx. 110 coins and the 13 guild coins you get for the personal part of this quest, if exchanged for coins, will cover the cost of this. The guild coins from the main reward are then pure profit and the whole quest takes just a few seconds.

[Mortallicus]

That's a bold statement saying the unhappy ones didn't do GQ's but got the coins anyway.
I will bet my GQ completion record over the past 2 years is more than equal to yours, yet I am extremely unhappy with current GQ setup and new quests.

another ridiculous LVL 51 GQ, "Pay 50 mahogany planks from your storage" when lvl52 is required to produce the planks.
To complete this quest ALL lvl51 players rely on buying Mahogany Planks from higher lvl players.

A bold statement is saying ALL the unhappy ones etc. I did say MOST but you seem to have missed that.
A bold statement is saying that you bet your completion record over the past 2 years is more than equal to mine. Be very careful with your bets. I have always led by my example on guild quests and there are many first hand witnesses.
What is wrong with higher levels selling mahogany planks to level 51? GQs are teamwork.

[Mortallicus]

This is not a ridiculous quest. It is not difficult to buy a stock of mahogany planks. The 50 planks required will cost approx. 110 coins and the 13 guild coins you get for the personal part of this quest, if exchanged for coins, will cover the cost of this. The guild coins from the main reward are then pure profit and the whole quest takes just a few seconds.

Agree wholeheartedly

[Iolanthe]

I am sure the ones that are the most unhappy are finding it difficult now not getting the coins they used to for NOT doing the guild quest.

This is just rude.

I am sure the ones that are the most unhappy are finding it difficult now not getting the coins they used to for NOT doing the guild quest.

This does seem to be the case from reading over some of the replies on here.

And it is not improved through repetition.

Without a solid collection of citations that significantly outnumber actual attempts to point out possible flaws or difficulties in the system and suggest improvements it comes much closer to flaming than to anything even remotely constructive.

Everyone is pretty clear at this point that larger guilds are generally pleased, no-one is arguing that. However, the attitude that appears to be rising here is that everything is peachy for everyone and if anyone disagrees with that it's time to break out the spitballs.

It seems it would be better for the game, and the community as a whole, if the successes in the update could be acknowledged as well as the areas in need of further work.

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It's interesting seeing how the fora of different language versions are approaching the changes, for example .net, the US/North American version seen to be trying to weigh the costs/benefits overall and for guilds of all sizes, the Germans are filling thread after thread with mountains of feedback and both DE and France have a thread dedicated to looking at specific difficulties with individual quests.

Trying to get a view of the thing as a whole is worthwhile, a dedicated thread for specific issues with specific quests might help with that.

[gibbletz]

A bold statement is saying ALL the unhappy ones etc. I did say MOST but you seem to have missed that.
A bold statement is saying that you bet your completion record over the past 2 years is more than equal to mine. Be very careful with your bets. I have always led by my example on guild quests and there are many first hand witnesses.
What is wrong with higher levels selling mahogany planks to level 51? GQs are teamwork.

Go back a read what you posted Mortallicus. "the ones that are the most unhappy" seems YOU don't understand what YOU said.
I am 100% happy with the 'bet'.

A player should not be expected to 'PAY' resources that his/her level is unable to produce/use.
The quests are not one off's they will be repeated many times.
The higher level player will find it much easier to complete this type of quest and for them it is even more profitable than for the lower level player due to the increased demand for that particular resource which they can produce penalising the lower level players with the same quest.

[Mortallicus]

This is just rude.



And it is not improved through repetition.

Without a solid collection of citations that significantly outnumber actual attempts to point out possible flaws or difficulties in the system and suggest improvements it comes much closer to flaming than to anything even remotely constructive.

Everyone is pretty clear at this point that larger guilds are generally pleased, no-one is arguing that. However, the attitude that appears to be rising here is that everything is peachy for everyone and if anyone disagrees with that it's time to break out the spitballs.

It seems it would be better for the game, and the community as a whole, if the successes in the update could be acknowledged as well as the areas in need of further work.

~

It's interesting seeing how the fora of different language versions are approaching the changes, for example .net, the US/North American version seen to be trying to weigh the costs/benefits overall and for guilds of all sizes, the Germans are filling thread after thread with mountains of feedback and both DE and France have a thread dedicated to looking at specific difficulties with individual quests.

Trying to get a view of the thing as a whole is worthwhile, a dedicated thread for specific issues with specific quests might help with that.

I suggest you read my other posts about the Guild Quests and the rest of my statement that i made at the time of that comment. Maybe even most was not the correct adjective but i do think quite a few. A lot worse is said on this forum and rarely picked up upon which is interesting.

[Mortallicus]

Go back a read what you posted Mortallicus. "the ones that are the most unhappy" seems YOU don't understand what YOU said.
I am 100% happy with the 'bet'.

A player should not be expected to 'PAY' resources that his/her level is unable to produce/use.
The quests are not one off's they will be repeated many times.
The higher level player will find it much easier to complete this type of quest and for them it is even more profitable than for the lower level player due to the increased demand for that particular resource which they can produce penalising the lower level players with the same quest.

It depends on the higher level to be fair some raced to 50 and others adventure , stop and build, adventure again. The guild quests are not that hard in the main and I have found many players are more than happy to help others and its paid forward. Those that are harder I have come up with suggestions and added +1 to some others good ideas. I have also said that it needs to be fairer for small guilds or words to that affect. It seems funny to me that a few months ago i was told I was all sweet and my little ponyish in my attitudes. I make one comment adding the word 'Most' and suddenly i am 'rude'. Yet others have said far worse. The forum was so 'rude' at one time that i stopped posting which I now regret.

The old guild quests had 'pay gunpowder' and many did not have the cannon chain. So we helped each other and there did not appear to be as much moaning as now and yet more players are now over 50. I am sorry if you find anything I say rude it was not and is not my intention. But I stand by largely what i said. If that is trolling or flaming (Iolanthe) then i am sure BB or a Mod will let me know.

I am entitled to my opinion as you are entitled to yours.