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    Secluded Experiments (Skills: Charge-3, Planner) - all Champions, Major, MOD, 4 MMAs

    It can be done in ca. 80 minutes.
    I'm not sure if posting skilled guides (not following skill patterns of Evil_J or Wiki) makes sense, but here it is anyway (for Halloween).
    My Nusala and Vargus are very similar to Wiki's, so they should work. Anslem is a little more different, so maybe some attacks (especially with Cavalry or against bosses) may need to be replaced.

    NEW: Added a few optional attacks with Skilled Mary Christmas giving 3k extra XP (3.9k if Fast Learner-3).

    Needed all 3 Champions, Major(s), at least 1 MOD* (2 is better for a quicker start), 4 MMAs (at least 1 MMA with full Skills), 4 Tavern generals (can be done with 3, but a little slower in the early parts).
    Crucial skills for Majors and Champions: Charge-3, Planner, and other depending on camps - full list below.
    Without MoD:
    Spoiler

    You have to kill Camp 11) 200 Sabrerattler
    Block on Camp 2a) block-Normal 120ES 72Cav
    Other MoD blocks (173 XBow) on camps 6, 20, 24 can be done using block-Normal 75ES.
    It's better if your LS buyers don't attack Camp 24 (it's part of the final double block).

    More/Less MMAs:
    Spoiler

    If you have more MMAs:
    Best to use 1 of them on Camp 14 (wave-1 MMA 1R + wave-2 Any 100Cav) - this way you don't have to wait for Anslem to return.
    Any other MMAs, maybe as wave-1 where Nusala attacks, if your Nusala doesn't have Master Planner (but has at least Charge-3), but it would require incorporating them into the blocks.
    If you have less MMAs:
    You may need 3 waves attack on Leader 11).
    For Leaders L2 & L5, you can use Fast general with ca. 70R or Lord Dracul with ca. 45-50R as wave-1 (use simulator) to kill Caltrops, but wave-2 would have to be modified as well (Gunman survive wave-1): you would need Nusala/Skilled-MMA with same troops as for Leaders L1a and L1b.

    Clarification: Not all 1 troop attacks are suicidal - only those where it says "wave-1" (or "w-1"). Other 1R, 1Cav, 1M attacks with Nusala or Anslem are usually "kill'em all" raids where general survives (with the current combat rules).

    Skills 1 (Major, Anslem, Vargus): Master Planner, Garrison Annex-3, Unstop. Charge-3, Battle Frenzy-3, Overrun-3.
    Skills 2 (Nusala): Master Planner, Weekly Mainten.-2, Garrison Annex-3, Unstop. Charge-3, Overrun-2.
    Skills 3 (MMA, only some have skills): Master Planner, Garrison Annex-3, Unstop. Charge-3, Rapid Fire-3, Juggernaut-3.

    NEW (optional): Skills 4 (Mary Christmas): Master Planner, Garrison Annex-3, Unstop. Charge-3, Overrun-3.

    Needed: 2050 Recruit - 210 Bowmen - 80 Militia - 820 Cavalry - 185 XBowmen - 400 Elite Soldiers - 425 Cannoneers [4190 troops]
    Losses (max. before First Aid): 2045 Recruit - 207 Bowmen - 80 Militia

    Right-click on a picture to "Open in a new window" and see exact placements of generals for blocks.



    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 1
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C1a) 100 Sabrerattler 100 Gunman
    Major: 2ES* 283Cav
    C1b) 100 Sabrerattler 100 Gunman
    Major: 2ES* 283Cav
    * If no First Aid, then use 1R+1ES (instead of 2ES).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C2a) 150 Caltrop 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-MoD 111ES 89Cav
    L1a) 1 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Nusala 108R 10M 62Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    For the next attack avoid combination of MoD+Nusala - block's too short, unless ... (spoiler)
    Spoiler

    ... Unless you use Platinum Horseshoe, then it has ca. 5-6 seconds safety margin.
    - or -
    ... Unless you use Bronze Horseshoe, AND your Nusala has Conf. Leader-1, then it has ca. 6 seconds safety margin.
    - or -
    ... Unless your Nusala has Conf. Leader-3, then it has ca. 3-4 seconds safety margin.


    You can use MoD+MMA, but it has only 5 seconds safety margin, so be quick to send.
    With Bronze Horseshoe on, the safety margin on MoD+MMA combo increases to ca. 13 seconds.
    With Platinum Horseshoe it will be almost 16 seconds.

    If you're waiting for Tavern general to arrive for this block, you can attack C4 and L2 (as soon as Major attacks Camp 1b).

    C2b) 150 Caltrop 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 120ES 72Cav
    L1b) 1 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Skilled-MMA 92R 34M 109Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C3) 110 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Vargus 108R 1ES 86Cav
    (C4 and L2 can be attacked right after 1b)
    C4) 50 Caltrop 150 Gunman
    Anslem 1R
    L2) 50 Caltrop 1 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    wave-1 MMA (no skills) 1R
    wave-2 Skilled-MMA 119R 11M 105Ka

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 2
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C5) 100 Sabrerattler 50 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 1R
    L3) 2 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 50 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Nusala 59R 61Ka (120 troops)

    Camp 5 is the best LS camp. Needed 1 Recruit with any general.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 3
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C6) 200 Sabrerattler
    block-MoD 173XBow
    C7) 50 Deckscrubber 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 115ES
    C8) 50 Caltrop 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 115ES
    L4) 3 Crazy Cook 150 Gunman = 900 XP
    Skilled-MMA 20R 10ES 30Cav 130Ka (190)
    - or -
    Major 20R 1ES 99Cav 100Ka (220)
    - or -
    NEW: Mary 20R 1ES 80Cav 114Ka (20 seconds)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C9) 100 Caltrop 150 Gunman
    Anslem 120Cav
    L6) 150 Sabrerattler 3 Crazy Cook = 1170 XP
    Vargus 71R 1ES 123Ka
    - or -
    Mary 98R 1ES 116Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    - Block (after C9 engaged)
    C10) 100 Gunman 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 141ES
    L5) 50 Caltrop 1 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    wave-1 MMA (no skills) 1R
    wave-2 Skilled-MMA 119R 11M 105Ka

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



    Disregard the "37 seconds" on the picture below, just use the blue X as the only indicator.

    Disregard the "37 seconds" on the picture above, just use the blue X as the only indicator.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 4
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Double block and 2 Leaders attacked at the same time
    C11) 200 Sabrerattler
    block-MoD 173XBow
    Wait for MoD to reach the blue X, send generals B, C, D.
    C12) 75 Gunman 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 105ES 1Cav
    L7) 100 Sabrerattler 2 Crazy Cook 100 Gunman
    Nusala 30R 1ES 75Cav 9XBow 65Ka
    L8) 100 Caltrop 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 2 Bull
    Anslem 76R 89Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    (Vargus can be placed below Anslem and sent after all generals for the block)
    C13) 75 Gunman 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Vargus 57R 1ES 137Cav
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C14) 50 Caltrop 150 Gunman
    Anslem 1Militia*
    * If no First Aid, then use 1R (instead of 1M).
    - or -
    If you have an extra MMA:
    Spoiler
    wave-1 MMA 1R
    wave-2 Any / Mary 100Cav (up to 100 Gunmen survive, it equals only 200 XP)

    Tip: If your Nusala has Master Planner and can be used with 180Cavs like intended for C15, you don't need wave-2 on C-14, just send suicidal MMA 1R first and then let Nusala be intercepted by C-14.


    C15) 100 Gunman 50 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Nusala 180Cav
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++





    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 5 - part 1
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C16) 50 Deckscrubber 50 Gunman 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    block-Normal 114ES
    L9) 75 Caltrop 1 Crazy Cook 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    Maj 168R 1M 116Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C17) 100 Caltrop 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    block-Normal 90ES 42Cav
    L10) 50 Sabrerattler 1 Crazy Cook 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    Maj 168R 1M 116Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 5 - part 2
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C18) 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Vargus 91R 1ES 103Cav
    C19) 200 Gunman = 400XP
    Mary 100Cav - or - Mary (no skills) 200Cav
    L11) 3 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 125 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    wave-1 Skilled-MMA 23R 207Bow (kills 2 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 4 Petty Off.)
    wave-2 Major 180R 105Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Block (after L11 engaged)
    C20) 200 Sabrerattler
    block-MoD 173XBow
    L12) 125 Sabrerattler 50 Gunman 2 Bull
    Nusala 13R 1ES 165Cav 1Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 6
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C21) 100 Deckscrubber 100 Sabrerattler
    Major 17R 1ES 267Cav

    Wait a few seconds to avoid intercept, then send block.
    C22) 50 Sabrerattler 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    block-Normal 94ES
    L13) 75 Sabrerattler 75 Gunman 2 Bull = 520XP
    Vargus 1R 1ES 168Cav 25Ka
    - or -
    Mary 9R 1ES 200Cav 5Ka (30 seconds - block still safe, 25 seconds margin)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    L14) 50 Caltrop 1 Crazy Cook 125 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    wave-1 Anslem 1Militia (or 2Recruit)
    wave-2 Major 180R 105Ka

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 7
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C23) 50 Caltrop 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 115ES
    L15) 1 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 125 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    wave-1 MMA (no skills) 1R
    wave-2 Major 180R 105Ka




    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 8
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Double block and 2 Leaders attacked at the same time
    C24) 200 Sabrerattler
    block-MoD 173XBow
    L16) 100 Sabrerattler 2 Crazy Cook 50 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Vargus 90R 10Mil 1ES 94Ka
    C25) 100 Caltrop 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 90ES 42Cav
    L17) 3 Crazy Cook 50 Gunman 50 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    Nusala 66R 114Ka
    Last edited by Kris3457; 06.04.18 at 12:32.

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    Optional attacks with Skilled Mary Christmas giving 3k extra XP (3.9k if Fast Learner-3).

    Skills 4 (Mary Christmas): Master Planner, Garrison Annex-3, Unstop. Charge-3, Overrun-3.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 3
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C6) 200 Sabrerattler
    block-MoD 173XBow
    C7) 50 Deckscrubber 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 115ES
    C8) 50 Caltrop 100 P.Of. 2nd-Cl
    block-Normal 115ES
    L4) 3 Crazy Cook 150 Gunman = 900 XP
    Skilled-Mary 20R 1ES 80Cav 114Ka (20 seconds)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    L6) 150 Sabrerattler 3 Crazy Cook = 1170 XP
    Vargus 71R 1ES 123Ka
    - or -
    Skilled-Mary 98R 1ES 116Ka
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 5 - part 2
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C19) 200 Gunman = 400 XP
    Skilled-Mary 100Cav or Mary (no skills) 200Cav
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Garrison 6
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    C22) 50 Sabrerattler 75 P.Of. 2nd-Cl 
    block-Normal 94ES
    L13) 75 Sabrerattler 75 Gunman 2 Bull = 520XP
    Vargus 1R 1ES 168Cav 25Ka
    - or -
    Skilled-Mary 9R 1ES 200Cav 5Ka (30 seconds)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A few other attacks are possible too, but they're almost pointless (SE units give low XP, and using Mary more often would slow you down).
    Last edited by Kris3457; 08.01.18 at 00:32.

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