Reasonable use of Mary Christmas.

[Kris3457]

Budgy, could you make your 2 posts from previous page into one with all your remarks for Evil Queen chain in them? I'd prefer to make a link to one post (given that there aren't many camps in total).
And also, please write what skills your Mary has

[Budgy]

Done
https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/...l=1#post339638

[Zacar]

How do you "just substitute" Mary for MG? She has 70 less units, that's a big difference. Sometimes attacks fail horribly if you are 5 mm/am short.

You will have to sim to get the best army composition. And that is what we do. We do the simming for you and we tell what camps have good xp.

with generals having skills your general may be very different. Its best to run the various camps yourself in a sim to find the best combinations of troops.





about the ONLY real point of guides is the blocks and starting locations for generals now.



If a 200 troop general can take the camp....so can mary. that's the general rule. Losses are of course expected to be higher then a MG/MMA/vargus/etc and its if they are acceptable or not if u use mary.


Mary is powerfull enough that in two places in Young Woodcutter I let her get intercepted and take down 2 camps at once with only one of those needing an 1r MMA before(or risk lossing a few mounted marksmen).

Mary can take out every L camp(from evilJ guide) in woodcutters except the very last one.

[Areop-Enap]

Maybe I missed it, but didn't see anyone having posted camps from ToK where General Mary can be used so I thought I would take the time to post the ones I have found while working on my personal ToK guide.

For reference, I used the camp number layout from http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/maps/mapawiedza04en.jpg

Skills for Mary:


-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 1 in SW Corner of G1 (90 Horsemen, 40 Dune Marksmen, 90 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [29MS - 31MS - 35MS]

Camp 15 (80 Sword Wielders, 70 Horsemen, 1 Scarred Thief)
{MaryX} 42MS 4K 169B [36MS 1K - 39MS 2K - 42MS 4K]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 2 in SE Corner below Camp 18 (100 Sword Clashers, 110 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 3 in SE Corner below Camp 18 (70 Stone Cannons, 70 Dune Marksmen, 70 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
(Protip to save time: From G2, Mary can be sent to the camp furthest down and get intercepted by the first to kill both camps above, she can then be sent to kill camp 18 upon return)

Camp 18 (100 Sword Clashers, 100 Horsemen, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 43MS 172MM [34MS - 39MS - 43MS]

Camp 22 (80 Horsemen, 70 Sword Clashers, 80 Dune Marksmen)
{MaryX} 32MS 183MM [25MS - 28MS - 31MS]

Camp 23 (120 Sword Wielders, 120 Stone Cannons)
{MaryX} 34MS 120AM 61MM [29MS - 31MS - 33MS]

Camp 29 (120 Desert Marksmen, 100 Stone Cannons, 1 Mysterious Thief)
{MaryX} 8MS 207MM [4MS - 7MS - 8MS]

Camp 31 (100 Sword Clashers, 100 Stone Cannons, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 12MS 203MM [2MS - 3MS - 11MS]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 5 on the right side of G4 (260 Dune Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 6 on the right side of G4 (70 Sword Clashers, 70 Dune Marksmen, 80 Stone Cannons) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
(Protip to save time: From G4, Mary can be sent to the camp furthest down and get intercepted by the first to kill both camps above just be sure the camp next to camp 31 is destroyed first)

Camp 33 (100 Horsemen, 100 Stone Cannons)
{MaryX} 40MS 175MM [32MS - 35MS - 39MS]

Camp 35 (90 Horsemen, 40 Sword Clashers, 90 Desert Marksmen)
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [29MS - 31MS - 35MS]

Camp 37 (90 Dune Marksmen, 90 Horsemen, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [28MS - 32MS - 35MS]

Camp 42 (120 Horsemen, 120 Dune Marksmen)
{MaryX} 47MS 168MM [39MS - 42MS - 46MS]


I also use her for Camp 24 after sending a MMA 1MM to avoid losing Mounted Marksmen.

Skills for MMA: https://i.imgur.com/WF97xgI.png (Most relevant for this attack would be Juggernaut, First Aid and maybe Unstoppable Charge)

Camp 24 (80 Horsemen, 80 Desert Marksmen, 80 Stone Cannons)
1st Wave: {Skilled MMA} 1MM [-]
2nd Wave: {MaryX} 33MS 182MM [21MS - 23MS - 32MS]

I get ~209 star coins from full adventure without premium. General Mary is the only general I got with Bounty Hunter skill so it's easy to get an image of how much XP she earned in by taken the star coin number and multiply it with 1000...

Sidenote: I sacrificed her with a load full of recruits on the last camp for an extra boost.

[Kris3457]

Thanks, there's one version of ToK (unskilled + skilled Mary), but I've added your post in spoilers with other skilled-only versions, ToK is quite confusing, so it's good to have at least one version for those who use Wiki's camps numbers.

[Areop-Enap]

Thanks, there's one version of ToK (unskilled + skilled Mary), but I've added your post in spoilers with other skilled-only versions, ToK is quite confusing, so it's good to have at least one version for those who use Wiki's camps numbers.

Ah, I see it now. One with Master Planner. It's always good with variety.
It was easier for me to use the wiki map as reference since i had to sim all camps anyway and, as you said, ToK can get confusing.

[Kris3457]

Take up Arms!

Easter Event 2018/2019 - camps are the same
Experience Points of the Party Crashers:
Bad or mediocre: Rascal 2, Ruffian 5, Vandal 9, Prankster 9, Bully 10, Scoundrel 10
Good: Grouch 20, Cad 22, Whiner 30, Scallywag 80, Denis (boss) 1500
Great: Alex (boss) 7500, Bob (boss) 17500

Premium bonus is NOT applied on home island, which is consistent with premium buffs description ("50% XP from adventures"). Thanks to kke2100 for this information.

Warning: "Day" refers to Event's consecutive Day for players who regularly destroy their camps from Day 1, so if you started the Event later than on Monday or if you skipped a day or more, check carefully the units.

Experience from fights:
[Non-Mary / unskilled Mary / Mary with Fast Learn-3])

All attacks with unskilled Mary. Values with Fast Learner-3 given for reference only.

2018 (or 2019) Easter Event camps in Spoiler, from Day 5

Spoiler

Day 5) 70 Rascal, 50 Prankster, Denis The Delinquent [XP: 2090 / 4180 / 4807]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [63R]
- or - Mary 60 Rec 140 Mil [60R 1M]
- or - Mary 60 Rec 90 Mil 50 Ka [60R 1M]
Elite Army: Mary 130 Swordsman 70 Knight [13 Kn]
- or - Mary 70 Knight 40 Besieger [13 Kn]

Day 6) 50 Vandal, 30 Scoundrel, 50 Prankster [XP: 1200 / 2400 / 2760]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [135R]
- or - Mary 130 Rec 70 Mil [130R]
- or - Mary 110 Rec 90 Ka [108R]
Elite Army: Mary 150 Knight [12 Kn]

Day 7) 50 Vandal, 50 Prankster, 20 Scallywag [XP: 2500 / 5000 / 5750]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [121R]
- or - Mary 115 Rec 85 Mil [115R]
- or - Mary 94 Rec 1 Mil 105 Ka [94R]
Elite Army: Mary 150 Mounted Swordsman [14 MS]
- or - Mary 150 Knight [22 Kn]

Day 8 - Monday) 50 Vandal, 20 Bully, 70 Prankster [XP: 1280 / 2560 / 2944]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [152R]
- or - Mary 145 Rec 55 Mil [145R]
- or - Mary 110 Rec 90 Ka [110R]
Elite Army: Mary 200 Knight [16 Kn]

Day 9 - Tuesday) 100 Vandal, 50 Scoundrel [XP: 1400 / 2800 / 3220]
Regular Army: Mary 137 Rec 1 Sol 62 Cav [137R 1S 1Cav]
- or - (if no Cavalry) wave-1 Any general 35 Rec (kills 13 Vandal) + wave-2 Mary 200 Rec [total loss 229R]
Elite Army: Mary 175 Knight [-]

Day 10 - Wednesday) 80 Bully, 20 Scallywag, Alex The Troublemaker [XP: 9900 / 19800 / 22770]
Regular Army:
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 62 Bully)
wave-2 Mary 113 Rec 87 Ka [total loss: 313R] (max. total XP: 9900 / 19180 / 21964)

It's possible to use Mary with Rec+XBow to kill Alex, if you don't have cannons, but wave-1 would have to kill more troops (Veteran needed) or kill at least some Scallywags (MMA needed). XP is still nice (15k XP for Alex alone, 17250 XP if Mary has FastLearn-3 skill)
If you want to kill all Bullies and Scallywags, try: wave-1 Any general 200R, wave-2 Any general 115R. This should leave Alex alone in the camp, so wave-3: Mary 38 Rec 162 XBow [total loss: 353R]. Total XP = 17,400 (2,400 from waves 1 + 2, and 15k from Mary killing Alex).


Elite Army: Mary 200 Swordsman [46Sw]
- or - Mary 12 Mounted Swordsman 188 Knight [12MS 10Kn] (with proper skills you save 6MS of those 12)

Day 11 - Thursday) 50 Bully, 100 Cad, 30 Scallywag [XP: 5100 / 10200 / 11730]
Regular Army:
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 45 Bully)
wave-2 Mary 140 Rec 60 Mil [total loss: 340R] (max. total XP: 4650 / 9750 /11145)
- or -
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 45 Bully)
wave-2 Mary 135 Rec 65 Ka [total loss: 335R] (max. total XP: 4650 / 9750 /11145)

Elite Army: Mary 200 Knight [33Kn]
- or - Mary 192 Knight 8 Besieger [29Kn] (with proper skills loss can be 15Kn)

Day 12 - Friday) 50 Bully, 50 Ruffian, 70 Scallywag [XP: 6350 / 12700 / 14605]
88% XP come from Scallywags, so you don't lose much by killing Bullies and Ruffians with other generals (use a simulator after wave-1 to see how many Recruits needed to kill most of the Ruffians, but leave as many Scallywags as possible)

Regular Army:
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 35 Bully)
wave-2 Any 175 Rec (kills 15 Bully 48 Ruffian)
wave-3 Mary 200 Rec [total loss 464R]

One of the waves can be MMA (would attack Ruffians first), also Vargus or Dracul are ok as wave-1 and wave-2. Don't use 2 MMAs, and also avoid Nusala, Anslem because they would kill Scallywags, taking away from Mary lots of XP.

Elite Army: Mary 200 Knight [50Kn]
- or - Mary 180 Knight 20 Besieger [35Kn]
- or -
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 35 Bully)
wave-2 Any 175 Rec (kills 15 Bully 48 Ruffian)
wave-3 Mary 110 Mounted Swordsman [total loss 375R + 14MS]

Day 13 - Saturday) 20 Grouch, 100 Whiner [XP: 3400 / 6800 / 7820]
Regular Army:
Mary 20 Rec 160XBow [20R]
Elite Army:
Mary 200 Knight [-]
- or - Mary 100 Mounted Marksman [-]
- or - Mary 200 Mounted Swordsman [2MS]

Day 14 - Sunday) 50 Bully, 50 Grouch, 150 Whiner [XP: 6000 / 12000 / 13800]
Regular Army:
wave-1 Any General 200R (kills 50 Bully, 3 Grouch)
wave-2 Any General 155R (kills 31 Grouch) - or - wave-2 Any General 120Bowman (kills 31 Grouch)
left in camp: 16 Grouch, 150 Whiner [XP: 4820 / 9640 / 11086] + 1180 XP from waves 1-2
wave-3 Mary 16 Rec 184XBow [total loss: 371R] - or - [total loss: 216R + 120B]

Elite Army:
Mary 200 Mounted Marksman [-]

Day 15 - Monday) 100 Grouch, 50 Scallywag, 1 Bob the Miscreant [XP: 23,500 / 47,000 / 54,050]
(XP composition: Grouch = 8.5%, Scallywag = 17%, Bob (boss) = 74.5%)

Bob alone is worth 35k XP for Mary Christmas (40.2k XP if Mary has Fast Learner-3), killing all other troops with normal generals with add 6k XP to it.
This one camp is worth half of an adventure from the Fairy Tale category, this should help you decide what losses are OK for you.

Regular Army:
(all generals without any skills)
wave-1 Anslem 150R (kills 30-41 Grouch, 40-50 Scallywag)
wave-2 Veteran 250R (kills 70 Grouch, 6 Scallywag)
left in camp: 4 Scallywag, 1 Bob
wave-3 Mary 56 Soldier 4 Bowman 140 XBow [total loss: 400R 55S 4B]

This is just one example of possible solutions, Anslem is most effective as wave-1 suicider, but of course you can use MMA(s) or Nusala first to reduce the number of Scallywags, then Recruits with Tavern general (or Veteran). For waves 1 and 2 it's better to use only Recruits or (if first wave(s) killed some Scallywags) Recruits and then Bowmen. No matter what generals you choose, Cavalry is a bad idea.
And if your Mary has some skills (like Overrun or Battle Frenzy), your losses can be lower.

Elite Army:
Mary 32 Mounted Swordsman 50 Knight 118 Besieger [31MS 25Kn]
Skilled Mary examples:

Spoiler

Mary 20MS 165Kn 30Bes [20MS 25Kn] - needed skills: Overrun-3, Charge-3, Annex-3, Planner (Mary with skills from Settlers Wiki)
Mary 22MS 177Kn 16Bes [21MS 25Kn] - needed skills: Overrun-3, Frenzy-2, Annex-3, Planner (Mary with skills from Evil_J's guides)

Day 16 and later - Tuesday and later) 50 Grouch, 1 Denis, 1 Alex, 1 Bob [XP: 27,500 / 55,000 / 63,250]
(XP composition: Grouch = 3.6%, Denis = 5.5%, Alex = 27.3% Bob = 63.6%)

Regular Army:
I'm not sure if the total 45k XP (unskilled Mary) is worth the troops, you may consider using truces+bribes. Killing Grouches without troops loss (using MMAs, Draculs, Champions) could help a little.

wave-1 (to kill 50 Grouch + Denis): Veteran 130Rec 10Sol 110Bow / or / Major 150Rec 120Bow
wave-2 (to kill Alex): MMA 133Mil 87Bow
left in camp: 1 Bob
wave-3 Mary 56 Soldier 144 XBow [total loss: 130R 133M 65S 197B]


Elite Army:
Mary 29MS 1Mar 100AM 70MM [26MS 1Mar]

Mary skilled with 7 books (needs Overrun-2): 10MS 1Mar 119AM 70MM [10MS 1Mar]
Fully skilled Mary will have the same losses (10MS + 1Mar).

[KingCannon]

C3 just killed my Mary and cost me 55MS and 145MM. Thanks.

[Kris3457]

C3 just killed my Mary and cost me 55MS and 145MM. Thanks.

After some chat, we discovered the reason for this misunderstanding.

Princess:
evil-j 2.0 version skilled map

Unfortunatelly, using the guide starting from land zone makes it a completely different camp, so that's the reason for losses.

C3 in the referred guide on Beautiful Princess (270 Sailor)
Unskilled Mary with 55MS 145MM always wins the fight (losing up to 52MS)
- checked on en.tsomaps.com/adv-calc/ (100k repetitions)
- checked on dsosim.de (100k repetitions)
- checked on /settlersonlinemaps.com/fastsim.php (FastSim v5.2) (10k repetitions)

[ginny31]

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