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    Quote Originally Posted by mussa33 View Post
    Kris3457 have u checked Mary Christmas XP gained from killing enemy camps while having 3/3 Fast Learner?
    No, I'm trying to find camps to attack without skills first, still waiting for the elusive manuscript recipe from Excelsior
    Anyway, you got your answer from SnowBlizz, so I hope it clarifies things.

    Quote Originally Posted by KingCannon View Post
    In YWC can Mary kill L1 as well as C2..? If so then she can replace the MG as I block there and it would be pointless unless she can take both camps.
    No, it's rather impossible with unskilled Mary.
    However, if you use Evil_J's guide for skilled CoA, you'll see the solutions that separate attacks on C2 - L1 (and also C8 - L3), so using 3 generals (MoD/BHG/Tavern to block C1, Mary to kill C2 and Major (or better Anslem) to kill L1), you'll get the benefits of Mary Christmas, and you still block C1.
    Same thing for C7 (block) C8 (Mary) L3 (Major or Anslem).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCannon View Post
    In YWC can Mary kill L1 as well as C2..? If so then she can replace the MG as I block there and it would be pointless unless she can take both camps.
    kc you can block and send both mary and final - the point is the extra xp gained from her kill

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    Thanks to SnowBlizz from Northisle for pointing out an extra attack - Leader 4 in Young Woodcutter, now added in the first post of this thread.

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    I've bought today the Mary Christmas and assigned her these skills:



    Just tried it on the YWC with this result



    Some notes:
    - camps killed by Mary are those without any additonal losses using 215 Mounted Marksmen (C2, Cextra, C8, C12) as stated in the first post
    - these 46 Star coins are just from Mary. No other general has the skill to gather Star coins
    - the skill Hostile Takeover gives me in total 232 recruit mercenaries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris3457 View Post
    In progress ...


    Ali Baba and the 2nd Thief

    b) *** not numbered camp at the North (if it can be attacked without intercepts ): 90 Dune Marksman, 90 Stone Cannon, XP = 5.5k
    *** - Normally, this camp can be skipped, only reason to attack it is to get the extra XP
    140MoM
    If you mean the one numbered 20 in pic:
    then it can be attacked from same place as you attack 18. Am not 100% sure now if you can get by 18 without intercept, but need other gneral to clear 18 anyway first befere sending Mary to 19. With my starcoin MG I kill both of those nowadays anyway.

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    I haven't studies the battle calc details for Mary that much yet so I appreciate the work done above and when I can (and when I have her maxed out) I'll look a little deeper. As for now I'm going to use her for the obvious. Any place I'm sending a full wave as a suicide and using tavern generals or Grim Reapers I'll replace that attack with her. That's a guaranteed improvement no matter what. I still use such waves on (for example) VLT so she'll be going to work next time I do that one if not before.
    Sorry, but I've slept since then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowBlizz View Post
    If you mean the one numbered 20 in pic (...)
    Yes, that camp.

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    Thanks for the guide. Bagged myself just under 200k xp on a YWC.

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    after tweaking and final books

    http://prntscr.com/hnfpru

    286,775xp with perm

    Guide:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    skills are http://prntscr.com/hng5dg
    Last edited by dreaduk; 26.12.17 at 20:51.

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    1st Thief (evilj skileld CoA map)

    Where it says skilled Mary (unless I mention specific skills) my Mary uses 3x Jugger, 3x First Aid, 2x Jog, 3x Overrun, 3x Unstoppable Charge, 3x Fast Learner, 3x Garrison Annex and Master Planner.

    L1: 100 Horseman 100 Dune Marksman 1 Scarred Thief - 4.8k XP
    Mary 40Msw 6M 154MM (exactly double the max loss of Anslem, 40Msw 6M)

    Unlisted camp in S2: 80 Dune Marksman 80 Stone Cannon - 4.9k XP
    Mary 200MM, no loss.

    L2: 5.2k XP 120 Swordclasher 120 Desert Marksmen 1 Smart Thief

    Skilled* Mary 5Msw 210 MM, loss <=4Msw
    * as HFoC notes going to need : 3x Unstoppable Charge 3xGarrison Annex and MasterPlanner

    L3 7.6k XP (this assumes you are doing a stacked 1R block, the combat is looong, 10 rounds or so) 70 Horseman 70 Desert Marksmen 1 Snooty Thief
    skilled Mary 52Msw 91MM 72B, loss ~48MSw (bit more than 2x skilled Anslem losses)
    unskilled Mary 70Msw 105MM 25B, loss ~67MSw


    Unlisted camp in S4: 50 Horseman, 50 Dune Marksman, 90 Stone Cannon 5.6k XP

    Mary 20Msw 180MM, loss max 20Msw

    C7 4.7k XP (skilled Mary instead of blocker) 100 Swordclasher 70 Horseman 30 Horseman
    Skilled* Mary 30Msw 185 MM, loss <30Msw
    *minimum requirements Master Planner or Garrison Annex


    C9 100 Sword Clasher 100 Stone Cannon (6.3k XP but "lose" some XP to wave 1)

    skilled Mary 215MM, no loss

    Wave 1, any gen 45Bows (or kill enough by suicides, eg Vargus, Draculas to get to max 87 Swordclashers left.
    Wave 2 Mary 99AM, 101MM, total loss 45Bows

    C11 4.3k XP (as part of block to last boss camp) 80 Sword Clasher 60 Horseman 60 Desert Marksmen
    skilled Mary 30Msw 185MM, loss <30MSw
    Last edited by SnowBlizz; 23.12.17 at 13:13.

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