I couldn't agree more.Originally Posted by HFoC
I had been looking forward to the fast deposits and had started to run down my industrial iron mines in anticipation. I guess I should be glad that I stopped before running them out entirely and haven't yet tried to obtain new ones to replace them once this geologist became available.
I think the new traits are far better than the faster mining time. A faster mining time is not really unique as upgrading the mine level does the same job. Finding double the deposit however means the mine will last longer and being able to find the deposit faster means that the new geo is finally better than a tavern and a Jolly geo. I don't understand people when they say that a search that takes twice as long is better. Which is basically saying that a tavern geo is better than a Jolly geo. But each to their own I guess.
Like I have said before, what is the point in bringing something new out if its no better than what we already have. But to me the new changes in the geo makes it worthwhile to buy. I hope they stick with itI would rather have twice as much deposit in half of the search time than a free upgrade level which takes longer to find.
Last edited by PELIAS; 22.02.18 at 22:48.
Not having ever really mined iron because imo the deposits are too small, too slow and for some reason science tree doesnt help in either respect I find both versions to be useful. If the older version also finds iron at jolly speed I'd like that one better if thats not possible I like the new version more.
Sorry Pelias, but your understanding of both versions of this geologist's abilities is completely flawed.
That statement is so incorrect I don't really know where to start. Try building two endless copper mines, one on a fast deposit and one on a slow one and then upgrade them both and then have a good look at how much copper each is producing..... then try buffing them both. Industrial Iron Mines would show a similar story with the availability of fast deposits. You would get way more iron per buff.
This is also incorrect. He doesn't find deposits faster than a Jolly. In this current version all his searches (except for iron) are the same speed as a tavern geologist. He finds iron (only) twice as quick as a Tavern Geologist, meaning he searches for iron at the same speed as a Jolly.
Granted, his iron deposits are double the size with this version, but that ability is (next to) no use for those that use arctic/industrial iron mines with refills and only of limited value to anyone who constantly rebuilds their iron mines, unless they have time to wait for him to search for most/all of their iron deposits... I doubt many players would be that patient.
Last edited by Ozzymandeus; 23.02.18 at 00:17.
For those who have criticisms on the new traits: what would you like to see on an Iron-based Geologist?
No Iron-based geologist, and revamping one of the useless geo skills to provide fast iron deposits instead.
I had no criticism on the old traits :-)
So: fast deposits, yes please.
Anything else, like bigger deposits or shorter time or extra mined ore or... is cherry on top.
Personally I like the new one better and like the ~1100-1700 iron deposits with a ~20min search time (with books).
The old one with faster mining alone would be a one or two time use skill to get industrial mines up. Faster mining with large deposits would be ok but does not appeal to me much if the search time is slow so it would take a whole day to find deposits. Best would be to have all three traits but I assume it's out of the picture due balance.
If he's supposed to be specialised at finding iron, then why not make him undoubtedly the best geologist for that task?
Putting all three traits into the final version (in some form) will also have the added advantage of having something for everyone:
There are other things that could be considered too. Finding an extra deposit, like the Conscientious Geologist, but for iron only would not be out of place on this guy either. However, I have to agree with HFoC. Fast deposits is, by far, the best choice, in my opinion. Anything else would be gravy on top!
- Finding iron deposits at least as fast as anyone else should be a given. If this is supposed to be his specialty then he should certainly not be any slower than Jolly, if only for that one task.
- Faster iron deposits is the one truly unique thing you have included at any stage thus far, so the idea of taking that away is ill-considered in my opinion and should absolutely be put back for the final version.
- Bigger deposits are not a bad thing and probably should be kept in some form. However, I can understand how doubling the size might be a little unbalanced on top of faster mining, but we already have Geologist skills that can increase other specific deposit sizes by up to 24%, so somewhere in that region should be a more than reasonable compromise.
BB_Saqui. I'd agree with a lot of other posts I've seen and would like the new geo to find larger deposits and find them faster than a standard geo. If both is too much, the former more than the latter.
Sorry, but I've slept since then...
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