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Or there could be x25 icons for units in the barracks and provision house when producing deposits. Like now when producing settlers. Theoretically x5 icons could be added for buffs as well as there is a lot of free space in the menu and there is occasionally a need for a ton of buffs to be queued
It's simply dazzling how nothing is done about this? I'm no game developer, but common sense dictates that having an arbitrary item number limit can just as well be 25 or 250, and NOTHING changes except the fact that items can be produced with 90% less clicking. +1 to every suggestion in this thread so far, and free ice cream to all if someone from BB actually reads and responds what they'll do about this (or give a decent explanation why nothing is done).
A little history for those who haven't been around in TSO for as long as I have:
The original trade system was a chat-like tab where trades could be posted, and the item cap was 200. On a starting server, that's fine as production is slow and there's not much to trade with anyway. Over time, however, buildings get upgraded and the economies strengthen, making players produce 1000's if not 10.000's of excess resources daily. It'd be sensible to sell the surplus production, but who will sell e.g. 50 000 coal from their storage in batches of 200? This became an issue and a source of constant complaint. When servers matured further, the value of such resources as water, fish and pine logs dropped to a point they became impossible to sell, as you couldn't find a buyer for 200 water even for 1 coin. Having to pay 5 coins for the contents of one cheap well, and having to do 5 trades to get it was just not worth it.
When players were just about boiling with frustration, BB launched a 'solution' to the trade issue: the trade cap was raised from 200 to 400. That is the single most worthless fix implemented to the game in the history of TSO as far as I can recall. Not only did it fail to solve a single problem the players were experiencing, it also showed how little the developers were in touch with the issues the trade cap was causing. It still blows my mind that, since they did take the effort to fix the limit, why did it not get fixed to e.g. 4000 in stead of 400? It would be the same effort from the developers' part, but would actually solve the problems the players were experiencing. But that's what we had to make do with for ages before BB eventually launched the Trade Office currently in use.
The point I'm making with this story is that there is a missing link between the players' needs and the developers' actions. Has been for as long as I can remember, and still is to date. I can understand that a complex, huge feature like PvP gets postponed because the development of it may actually face some real challenges. But these utterly simple things, like item limits in provision house or barracks, or stacking items in star menu, that already exist in the game should not have such problems. All that's really needed is to increase the limiting number by tenfold, or so high that it stops being a 'limit', and everyone is happy.
I don't see how someone would have a need to only produce 100 fish food after one day of game play. But every day after the first day they'll produce thousands. So why can't it be a 1000 in stead of a 100? What possible factor could inhibit the implementation of a bigger number to stack and queue sizes? It doesn't matter that there's possibly a new game feature planned to fix this if it will be launching months if not years later (like it was with the trade system). Just change the number to a bigger one, you can still implement the more polished fix later on. But I fear these concerns will yet again be lost, never reaching the devs, or reaching them in such a form that they won't grasp the actual issue. Maybe we will see that after fighting long and hard for this, BB will eventually change fish food to be 200 per lot...
You need put some effort for getting something from BB - at least by voting and writing reviews, there is good tread: http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/t...VE-for-players
something tells me this isnt first time this thread pops up....
i sign up on this idea, im sure BB realises that some people use like, 3k+ troops per day.. making them is 25 units stacks is... annoying
I have hit level 42, and am finding that although I enjoy doing adventures, the amount of time you spend in the barracks recreating your troops is a real deterrent to me doing more adventures.
For instance, if an adventure loses 600 recruits, to replace them, you need to create recruits 4 x 6 times (24).
But if an adventure loses 1000 recruits, to replace them, it's 4 x 10 lots of recruits (40 times).
This is such an annoying part of the user interface of the game. Even if you could change all units to 100 at a time, that would not be so bad.
I know this has all been said before. I am about to take a break from the game because I am not enjoying it so much at this stage. All the upgrades I have left to do cost loads of gold coins or granite. Leveling up costs loads of troops (time to accumulate bread/swords/brew), rewards often don't pay off (titanium, saltpeter). It has become tiresome.
However, I will make a push to see if the recruits production can be improved! Please add your +1 if you agree. I know this has been mentioned before, but it can't hurt to try again.
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It's not so bad. The bad part is the huge performance problem.
i agree
How about adding a simple modifier to the troop build screen allowing a certain number of blocks of 25 to be requested instead of one big batch
In this example 10 sets of 25 recruits are requested to be Q'ed up
as the 10 sets would be requested at the same time I sure this would save a lot of repeated requests and acks from the server doing it manually
This could also be applied to the provision house as Q'ing up 2 million fish food for guild members once a month can drive u insane
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im sure i seen something like this mentioned before in forum but still think its a good idea :)
It's a pain to queue 2 million fish food, but it's just as much pain to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezy
Much rather, just increase the production slider max from 25 to 1000. Both Barracks and Provision House. 1000 is just enough. If it was just a change of UI slider max value, it would take 10 seconds to fix. I'm guessing though that server side will check for maximum stacks queued, so that needs 25->1000 change as well. Find and replace should be quite enough.
Overall: 25->1000 change is less work for the coders to do, and it's much better solution for players (so we get one 100k stack of fish food instead of 40 stacks of 2500). It also solves the current TO problem where you can't sell buffs or fishfoods in stacks bigger than 25.
And yes, this has been suggested so many times. BB never replies on any suggestions so we can just keep suggesting and hope they'll do it one day. This one at least would be so little work to do and give so much better game experience.
Adding a stacking option to the star menu would fix thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Borotaur
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Originally Posted by Borotaur
From a coding point of view comms with the server would be reduced as only the extra value would need to be sent - currently sending 10 separate requests to the server is lagging everything big time sending one request with a multiplier would be more efficient - and requires less modification of existing code for 25 units - also if there is no cancel option can u imagine Q'ing up 1000 cavs by accident :(
also it would be handy to keep the 1-25 for smaller replacement troop builds like loosing some ES or making a few swords now and then
We can but hope BB pays some attention to these suggestions
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Having larger limits and a info entry like the TO would solve both. Instead of dragging the bar simply typing 1234 recruits.
Barracks and provisions, after 2 years there is no excuse for this to still not be fixed. (because the implimentation is already in)
Yes!!! Please increase the limit on Provision House AND Barracks.
Also, please add an up/down arrow to move things around in the Queues of both Provision House AND Barracks.
The upcoming Fairy Tale adventures require 5.000 to 8.000 Units...
Let me put it this way, this should be a PRIORITY for devs.
Clicking 300 times to make a 25 Unit stack for each of those advs..... NO. Don't even THINK about letting this happen.
From coding point of view, creating a new UI element for multiplier, and handling one extra parameter is definitely more work than changing one number from 25 to 1000. And takes plenty more testing. Probably more importantly, with multiplier you'd still end up with lots of small stacks of fish food and buffs, and they'd still be painfully slow to use or sell. If there's a fix on this matter, it's better to do it properly and increase the stack sizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezy
Cancelling current production should be done just as urgently. If I'm at 23/1000 with my cavalry training, hitting cancel should either (a) instantly finish, giving me 23 cavalries and refund of all the materials for the other 977 or (b) finish currently trained unit and in few minutes give me 24 cavalries + refund mats for 976. Same applies to PH. However, if cancel feature is omitted for now, easy workaround would be that if you queue 1000 recruits, game actually just treats it identical to queuing 40 x 25 recruits. Note that this is only ok with barracks. In PH, we really want bigger stacks since they go to star menu and need to be used manually (or sold).
Finally, even if Barracks/PH max was changed from 25 to 1000, nobody is forcing people to do things in chunks of 1000. Training 7 elites as replacements is just as easy as it is now.
I have always considered that a completely useless game mechanic. There is no real point in limiting us to 25 of everything. It's a not a good mechanic, it's just tedious and wastes time. I know this is supposed to be a slow game but things that just wastes time for no good reason other than maybe programmer incompetence is frustrating. They did remove the pointless limit on trade a while back. Why still have a low and seemingly arbitrary limit on troops and resources in the provisions house? The ever present lag only makes it more frustrating since you sometimes have to wait for 15 seconds or more before you can even start the next batch of 25 recruits.
It makes no sense from a game mechanic perspective and no sense in a programming perspective. Why burden the already underpowered servers with more calls than necessary?
Pleae.please,please make more troops trainning posible ASAP.This segment is killing a will to live not to mention a wish to keep playing settlers
Exactly. How many times do you really think you want to sit in front of your barracks doing that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Merkraad
This would be incredibly useful, to be able to cancel and get however many recruits it is up to.Quote:
Cancelling current production should be done just as urgently. If I'm at 23/1000 with my cavalry training, hitting cancel should either (a) instantly finish, giving me 23 cavalries and refund of all the materials for the other 977 or (b) finish currently trained unit and in few minutes give me 24 cavalries + refund mats for 976. Same applies to PH. However, if cancel feature is omitted for now, easy workaround would be that if you queue 1000 recruits, game actually just treats it identical to queuing 40 x 25 recruits. Note that this is only ok with barracks. In PH, we really want bigger stacks since they go to star menu and need to be used manually (or sold).
And lulu, you're right, this has been said many times before. I just thought it would be a good idea to keep the idea alive, and articulate in particular my feelings of frustration with the barracks. I agree with the prov house as well. Fish food and meat, when you get to higher levels it would be great to be able to speed these steps up instead of frustrating clicking over and over. Balloons has been the same. Ridiculously small lots.
The 25 stack limit is a solution for people on lower levels, not 40-50s. THey haven't taken that into consideration back when they were making the decision to limit those stacks at 25.
Unless it's an intended action so you use Gems to speed up the production. You still need to click a thousand times though.
How about this for barracks and provision house link the size of the stack to the level of the building.
Barrack:
Level 1 = 25 units
Level 2 = 100 units
Level 3 - 250 units
Level 4 = 500 units
Level 5 = 1000 units
Provision House:
Level 1 = current stack size (not all stacks are 2500, e.g retired bandits is 625)
Level 2 = 4 x current
Level 3 = 9 x current
Level 4 = 16 x current
Level 5 = 25 x current
This would mean as a player progresses through the game they can make the larger amounts they need with 1 click,
agree, this feature would be very much appreciated
That is an awesome idea, Dorotheus. That is the best solution I have heard. How do we get BB's attention for that suggestion, I wonder?
I have sent a PM to BB_Alpaca.
Just to summarise, there are two key ideas here:
1. either increasing stack size or removing limit altogether (Dorotheus' refinement is to keep stack sizes but raise the size as the building level increases)
2. be able to cancel an item in the barracks and provision house and receive the amount created up until cancelled. e.g. if you are making 25 baskets and you need to cancel when it is up to number 2, you get two baskets, or if you are making 25 elite soldiers, it's up to number 5, you cancel and get 5 elites. At the moment, the only way to immediately stop is to spend gems to complete an item.
The stack size is extremely frustrating as players get to higher levels where recruits are lost in their thousands, and fish food is needed in ten thousands. etc, etc. This will be even worse with the addition of fairy tale adventures for the highest level players.
I was in the middle of making baskets when I needed to make fish food for the guild quest, and without intending to spend gems, clicked on the "gems to finish". Bye bye 120 gems. A cancel option where you do not lose resources would be very, very helpful. :o
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Originally Posted by Dezy
YES!!! NOW MORE THAN EVER!!! The new update no matter wat guide you use or what troops you are guaranteed to loose 5k+ units on ea adventure... I do not understand why it's so difficult for the developers to add this function.... Unless they plan on implementing troop hut/silo......
For the fishfood i do not see it happening as i am sure they will implement a fishhut at some point that goes in the sea...
I actually find it a bit of a wrist sore to click click click. In conjunction with the lag, I'm unsure if my clicks even went through.
It would be perfect if we could just have a nice long slider. Even without cancel option. We make the mistake to make big chunks, we live it with :)
If that can not be done, how about keyboard short cuts? Repeat last order (single key or click at least).
Thank you.
Aye, the endless clicking on both PH and barracks is just asking for RSI symptoms on the playerbase. Not to mention the frustration with the lag when you try to queue up larger numbers. It has been suggested before and this is one of the most annoying parts of the game at the moment. I'm actually looking at offering gold to people to create the fishfood and put them in my fishponds instead of having to do it myself. That's how annoying it gets when you have 14 fishermen and needing to refill 100k+ a week.
Any upgrade on this segment would do.
That and more is covered in my post from a while back. Yes, being able to produce more than 25 at a time is crucial to the game. But in the end, they need to build the game in something else than Flash. They need a real game engine.
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Originally Posted by Erikber
I like this idea, but this debate does beg the question :Quote:
How about adding a simple modifier to the troop build screen allowing a certain number of blocks of 25 to be requested instead of one big batch
Why do we need a slider at all ? can we just enter the digits in a similar fashion to trade offers
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Hi,
A simple but effective change. Instead of sliders being on 1, please set their start position to 25. When I'm making 500 recruits, it would be much nicer to have the slider set to 25.
When making troops, I will make 25 on 95% or more occasions. I would be happy to slide the slider down to 1 on the odd occasion I only needed one recruit.
The same applies in the provision house when making buffs. I make 25 baskets every time, and hardly ever make less.
Any objections?
No objections, but i'd rather see a slider with a text box (like on AH) and we are able to type in 500, and it will queue up 20 * 25 for us in one go.
I'd rather have a bigger slider. I typically make 25,000 fish food (10 slides, 10 clicks), 150 baskets (6 slides, 6 clicks), and 1200 recruits (48 slides, 48 clicks) a day! This adds up to 128 clicks a day. No wonder my hand hurts.
If it was adjustable sliders, it would be: 3 values, 3 clicks. And my hand would not hurt. (Plus it would be a lot faster, as each 'click' introduces lag).
I had a week off the game, and returned yesterday, to find making fish food and meat refills even more irritating than ever. The new adventures have arrived. Are those poor level 50 players really going to make all those recruits 25 at a time?
I have had no response so far from BB_Alpaca. I will try another PM.
Hey BB do something about this, it's freakin tiresome to click click on barracks if your population is over 5k. This isn't any major change just increase number in your code, 25 > 1000. Don't waste our time more.
BB_Alpaca replied to my messages that our suggestions have been passed on to the development team, but that no promises can be made about whether anything will change. So if this is an issue for you, please do add to this thread. Let's make it stand out.
any news on the topic? with farytale adventures here clicking in barracks and provision house is becoming anoying...?
+1 from me... but I wonder if this area of the forum ever gets looked at by the developers. 3 pages of players all agreeing 100% that this is needed, it's a no-brainer. But nothing in response.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwampHen
I think a simple slider with an input box similar to the trade slider above in that screenshot is ideal. Raise the max you can build, then u can either use the slider or simply type in the amount you want made.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAAAHHHHHJJJAAA
Adding a cancel option that would immediately cancel the rest of the builds would be fantastic too! I think both of those shouldn't be too much code work.
I've had a new idea. Just started playing adv again. How about a shortcut/hotkey to produce a stack? e.g. "r" for recruits, "b" for bowmen, within the barracks?
This keeps being raise BB need to change it. A system like Dezy suggests would be better, also for things like Irmas and trading multiple items with players (like Red setters)
BAAAHHHHHJJJAAA, it's not a better suggestion, it's a "CAN YOU PLEASE IMPLEMENT SOMETHING!?! PLEASE?!" suggestion. Even a hotkey. How hard can a few hotkeys be?
Not at all if the stacking was a manual process as you'd then have to be clicking each stack anyway. I want to order my fish in 1 bunch AND add them to the deposit in 1 go. That is about 6 clicks instead of hundreds. 50 stacks you have to click, click/drag, click. so 300 actions to order 250k fish food. Then click *, click fish, click deposit (wait a few seconds...............:yawn:) which is another 300 actions. 600 actions to refill your fish deposit by 250k. That would be replaced by 6 clicks if you could just slide the bar up to 100 and order your 250k in 1 hit. 6 clicks instead of 600 is just better and should be a really simple update for them to do. It's ridiculous that it's still not been done because who needs 1 stack of 25 fish ever? The stacks could also just be made bigger. e.g. instead of 1 being just 100 fish (seriously who needs to refill by only 100 fish after about level 6?!) it could just be 5k or 10k. Then 25 would be 250k at 10k/increment. No one would be complaining if they could get their 2 million fish in just 8 stacks instead of 800 (almost 5,000 click to create and add to a deposit)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezy