Please turn production week off

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Originally Posted by Vodkat

problem i have is i am unable to upgrade, place, remove and add new buildings and accurately monitor the production chains. My playstyle is to run a non buffed well balanced island. I like to know unless i amdoing an adv this can be a back ground game i just need to spend two 5-10missons on a day if i chose. this is not possible using the above methods people have mentioned. I do appreciate this game is not just made for me anymore it has been for you. But we need to point out that not everyone is not happy having somethink that is hurting out islands forced upon us. If we don't similar things may happend again and BB will not learn that this easily cud have been concieved as a optional buff. I do not believe this should be turned off as others do like it, but BB should have put more thought in.

*Edit* My finale post in this thread.

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Sorry mate but i think you play this game really bad. :) ask some consultation about economy because this games is all about. And now its really balanced now all buildings have they purpose. It was fun that ppl build cannon chain only for making quest or titanium chain now its all useful. And this PW stuff as fishlich mention for running out resourse i hope they make something for gc cuz now this game have really to much of it... So dont blame game blame your bad knowledge about this game. You just playing worst scenario in this game.

Sorry if i offended you but just cant read anymore when ppl cant calculate and blame system not them self.

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Originally Posted by ViliusV

All this PW is great thing you had pretty mutch time to prepare for it.

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No, it's rubbish as it generates insane lag.

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Originally Posted by ViliusV

Sorry mate but i think you play this game really bad. :) ask some consultation about economy because this games is all about. And now its really balanced now all buildings have they purpose. It was fun that ppl build cannon chain only for making quest or titanium chain now its all useful. And this PW stuff as fishlich mention for running out resourse i hope they make something for gc cuz now this game have really to much of it... So dont blame game blame your bad knowledge about this game. You just playing worst scenario in this game.

Sorry if i offended you but just cant read anymore when ppl cant calculate and blame system not them self.

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Your logic is terrible, those are different issues but you're pretending that they are the same thing. Making cannon forges etc useful by changing loot drops is one change (that no-one is complaining about here). Having a two week period where economies break and islands that were tuned for maximum performance (as you say, the point of the game) is a different one. Stop confusing the issue by dragging in unrelated points.

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Originally Posted by fishslice

Ever think that maybe BB deliberately choose to do it this way to try and take some of the huge amounts of copper, bronze and coal out of the game?

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Finally, someone who recognises the obvious motivation behind this.

But then BB's mistake is selling this as a benefit to the players rather than a fix for their failing to sort out the island economy for three years.

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Originally Posted by IainC

Your logic is terrible, those are different issues but you're pretending that they are the same thing. Making cannon forges etc useful by changing loot drops is one change (that no-one is complaining about here). Having a two week period where economies break and islands that were tuned for maximum performance (as you say, the point of the game) is a different one. Stop confusing the issue by dragging in unrelated points.

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and some things you dont like others will. youve been spoilt by getting all your weapons from loot and bb have reconized that production chains for high end weaponery was null and void. theyve now made a change where your actually have to have production chains for your weapons and your complaining? your lazyness has turned to complacency.
Im loving the extra 50% production atm and i planned for it a few weeks back and will be producing iron and steel swords all the way through it with a minus 10k coal/h and im a relatively new player which this patch has hit the most. established players moaning about productions chains didnt have their island set up properly in the first place

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Originally Posted by SmurfAsH

No, it's rubbish as it generates insane lag.

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+1

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Originally Posted by BWTD

and some things you dont like others will. youve been spoilt by getting all your weapons from loot and bb have reconized that production chains for high end weaponery was null and void. theyve now made a change where your actually have to have production chains for your weapons and your complaining? your lazyness has turned to complacency.
Im loving the extra 50% production atm and i planned for it a few weeks back and will be producing iron and steel swords all the way through it with a minus 10k coal/h and im a relatively new player which this patch has hit the most. established players moaning about productions chains didnt have their island set up properly in the first place

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Can you read? Nobody is complaining about the new loot in this thread. Nobody even mentioned it until ViliusV further up who made the same mistake that you just did. Changing production chains for high level weaponry is fine, it was broken before and I'm glad it's being fixed. That isn't the thing that people are complaining about here.

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Originally Posted by BWTD

established players moaning about productions chains didnt have their island set up properly in the first place

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I shall refute this point thus:

Even without Production Week, nobody had their Damas, Iron Sword, Steel Sword and Cannon production chains set up to take into account the changes this week.. as every single one of those chains had some/all of their base production times changed AT THE SAME TIME they introduced the Production week bonus!

And, furthermore, speaking as an 'established player' who actually is quite enjoying the added production of some weapons at least, I would like you.. and other people trying to say that we are incompetent and don't know how to set an economy, to understand that my production is fine. I am not going to run out of resources any time soon because I have hundreds of thousands of coal, iron ore, copper ore and so forth to spare. My reasons for wanting this 'bonus' turned off have NOTHING to do with my inability to deal with the change of production times and EVERYTHING to do with the CRAZY AMOUNTS OF LAG it is contributing to... the same way 'Explorer Week' did a few months back.

Now... as at least one poster here has implied, is it 'selfish' of me to actually want to be able to play the game? Maybe.... but nowhere near as selfish as it is for the folks here who are basically ignoring the fact that this 'feature' has decimated many players' ability to play the game and are crying out for that decimation to continue because it means they are able to make some extra weapons.

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Originally Posted by Bluesavanah

The Dev's quite often micromanage resources, usually during events. You think it was a coincidence Golems took thousands of titanium out of peoples storage right before everyone has to start using it to make weapons ?

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They have done similar sinks and the past and removing resources would make zero sense in combination with the new loot system. They changed it to make the weapon propdutction useful. What they want to get rid of is the huge weapon stockpiles that most high level players sit on. Most of us have thousand upon thousand of crossbows and canons in storage so we won't need to run those buildings anyway. Also, if the reason for the change was to make weapons harder to come by by forcing you to make them, why on earth would you then also remove the resources used to make them? It makes no sense at all.

So even if they were out to make a huge resource sink. Why on earth would they change them for weapons then if they wanted weapons to be scarce? Nothing about the resource sink hypothesis makes any sense at all. Unless the devs are even more stupid than we previously thoguht which would be quite an achievemnt given they have shown to be unable to do basic multiplication.

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Originally Posted by noxidjkram

What is all the fuss about - just let your buildings run. If they run out of resources they are no slower than they were before. They just get you the output faster than before, and then wait for more input when it is ready.

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The problem is that the resoures are needed fo rmultiple things. If I run out if copper due to a change in the copper smelters and bronze weapon smiths, I also run out of tools for my mines and nibs for my manustripts. That's the problem.

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Originally Posted by ViliusV

Simple put 3x buff and you get your 600 income. Just dont say that you cant wait few weeks till PW will finished? Its realy making a problem where is no problem totaly just clam down and calculate how mutch you can earn and just stock it and later sell it... Its crying for nothing. All this PW is great thing you had pretty mutch time to prepare for it.

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Great, will you give me enough 3x buffs to last me the entire two weeks? How kind of you. Is the offer valid for everyone or is it just me? Just add me as a friend in game and send the trades.

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Originally Posted by BWTD

and some things you dont like others will. youve been spoilt by getting all your weapons from loot and bb have reconized that production chains for high end weaponery was null and void. theyve now made a change where your actually have to have production chains for your weapons and your complaining? your lazyness has turned to complacency.
Im loving the extra 50% production atm and i planned for it a few weeks back and will be producing iron and steel swords all the way through it with a minus 10k coal/h and im a relatively new player which this patch has hit the most. established players moaning about productions chains didnt have their island set up properly in the first place

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Once again. THE DEVS [ removed ] DID IT THE WRONG WAY. If they wanted to give us extra weapons, they should have changed the OUTPUT from the weapon production buildings for two weeks. That would have given the same 100 % increase (not 50 %, your maths is off) but without messing up our finely tuned economies. The problem isn't the free stuff, the problem is that it's not really free. It causes quite a lot of problems for many players because the devs are utter idiots.

Also, what's with the condescending tone? How about you read through the thread at see what the actual issues are before you waltz in [ removed ]

Hello Zotamedu,

I understand your frustration, but please keep the insults away from the forum.

Thank you,
Fexno

i seriously don't understand you BB. you gave a boost of few weeks to the production of certain buildings, but you actually don t care at all if it unbalance our production , why on earth you did n t include everything, what is the point to boost some buildings but not all of them, my coal production isn t at all efficient anymore and wood production is useless also
and the only help and advice we can get is switch off the production to rebalance everything, and all this it s for 3 weeks , i can see the people who does those rubbish changes don t play the game,
all this for pvp play, by the way it isn t a pvp system, and there is no point to get a colony, the loot and the colony production don t come close to pay for the resources you spend to take the colony , another bad maths.it s useless to give us a boost production when the all chain of buildings isn t boost, so what you actually did is this BB. you boost the last building of some chain production and because you did n t boost all the buildings of that chain we have to switch off some of the buildings you boosted to re-balance our production.We can t produce enough resources to use all of our boosted buildings.the people who did the maths on this one, probably should n t be doing the maths, Well done BB
my point in all this is,what the point for us to have boosted buildings, but have to switch off half of them because we cant produce enough resources to use them all. And why do you think it is helping us to have done so BB ?

Well said Zotamedu in that the only time there is any BB input here is to tell you off for improper language. This is what always happens, BB have little regard for their customer base it seems. Certainly having read a recent article in which Teut Weidemann - lead designer for TSO stated, quote:

"You have to think about making a fun game and monetizing it at the same time." That's a huge burden and a big change from what we've done before," he said, adding that "we have to bring them in and keep them addicted and make them keep playing. Selling advantages is seen as evil. That's over for free-to-play games."

He continued by saying, quote:

"We are monetizing all the weakness of people," Weidemann says, turning his talk toward the seven biblical sins, and how these can be turned into hard cash."

So there you have it from the horses mouth, it's all about the cash, not about what you or I or anyone else IN the game wants, but how much BB/Ubisoft can make' Yes, we all knew that but now they have said it publically.

If you want the link to the article mail me in game and I will pass it along - if I put it here doubtless it will end up nice and lilac.

Incidentally my way to deal with the production issue has been to turn off almost all my coal, pine, water users and to sell the extra resources - doing very nicely thank you BB.

yeah

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Originally Posted by lordloocan

"we have to bring them in and keep them addicted and make them keep playing."

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I have been pondering this one for a while and I must confess I am still trying to figure out how messing up players' ability to adventure, introducing a PvP that even players that wanted one are rapidly coming to the conclusion it is a waste of effort/resources/etc. and causing horrific lag with bonus weeks keeps people playing...?

Nothing lordloocan has quoted is a surprise. I saw some very similar comments coming from an EA exec interviewed a year or so back. I am just having a hard time understanding how this latest update furthers this goal. Furthermore, I am having an even harder time trying to understand how rushing buggy and/or untested code onto live servers translates into consumer confidence enough to want to spend "hard cash". What I am seeing in the feedback threads seems to suggest the exact opposite in this regard.

OK, I had waited with bated breath, expecting this not to be as demanding as it has turned out to be on my chain.
i had saved up a lot of coal to compensate until there was a chance to reorg my chains.
But the coal is just way to slow still to keep up if all stuff is running.
What are chances next time of a bit of extra thought from BB on the coal side of speeding up times as well,so we can actually run all weapon chains without the worry of running out of coal every day?

i can run all chains and still have +20k coal /12h. you're doing it wrong.

So you have 1 sword maker?

While the maintenance was underway I read through all the posts (including my original irritated one) and saw many interesting points of view. I can understand some players position that the situation can be 'managed', but I think most of those who have posted (myself included) ask the question why should we have to? Numerically it isn't viable - since raw materials have a limit, forcing input/output to double is clearly going to change the equation. And since it's two weeks in duration it makes no sense to try to re-balance building levels to adjust for it. So I'm among many others that have shut down most of their production and what is running is working on a buff-or-die basis (which of course is killing my bread production as well). Personally I don't like feeling like I must keep activating/deactivating/buffing buildings since I've worked quite hard to make it so I didn't have to do exactly that.

At this point all I can add is thank goodness only one more week to go.

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Originally Posted by Zotamedu

Great, will you give me enough 3x buffs to last me the entire two weeks? How kind of you. Is the offer valid for everyone or is it just me? Just add me as a friend in game and send the trades.

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Well you got 2-3 weeks to produce enough 3x buffs i did my self if you couldn't produce them you can always buy it in TO. And still if you have no buff now you also can buy them from me i got 5k badge for sale.

Ok haters of production week this is what i got now http://prntscr.com/5cd7jn. And this what i prepared for this production week http://prntscr.com/5cd7u0 also lot of copper and iron but i was producing them long time ago... So if you didn't make any thought about coming production weeks its your problem you didn't make calculation NOT BB. Players who think about future they read upcoming events and try make preparing for it. This game isn't about your island is running perfectly you have to be prepared for changes or you just go sleep. If you cant keep up its your problem. For players who didn't prepare for production week i offer turn off half production and you get same production of what you had before if you didn't prepare for production week so you don't deserve and bonuses it gives. Who give some thoughts about it have very good time to have double production of weapons. So stop crying and play this good economy game.

I've always played the Settlers games with an economy/settlement priority.
For me, it's about creating and managing as good a settlement as I can.
But just doing daily tweaks and producing ever more resources can be boring.
Where are the challenges?
Can't this production week crisis be thought of as a test of our settlement management skills?
Disasters happen in RL and have to be solved or averted, perhaps having unexpected mini-disasters in TSO from time to time will make the game interesting?

That being said, BB's first priority is to de-bug the game from top to bottom, and only introduce fully tested, bug-free new content.
I really sympathise with those players who prefer adventuring, PVP etc, because it seems that side of the game is a mess right now.

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Originally Posted by Sheddoe

That being said, BB's first priority (should be) to de-bug the game from top to bottom, and only introduce fully tested, bug-free new content.

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Fixed that for you...

Unfortunately, time and again they prove otherwise.

As far as "preparing" goes, I have a couple thoughts. Firstly, many players as well as myself thought it would work like a buff and not a level increase for the affected building. From what I have read that detail was not made obvious - but perhaps a huge number of people all missed the same clearly labeled information like I must have.
Secondly, "preparing" itself - what I could have done is halted my weapon production, did more buffs, increased levels of raw material buildings.... which means I would have had less weapons but could make the ones I missed out on twice as fast, searched more often for mines and had to use extra materials to level them up again, and produce more buffs to get the desired extra output. Oh wait - all of the above is exactly what I'm doing now. Go figure.

I don't see it as "being able to adjust to a changing event like a natural disaster", it's more like going to work for a few days and finding out someone has doubled the output (they use the term efficiency, very misleading because to me efficiency means more output for less cost) -doubled the horsepower of my car engine and I can't figure out why I'm using so much petrol. Then I suppose I would have to "adjust" by moving to a new house closer to work so I can afford the extra expense. Actually, I should have known to start stockpiling petrol I suppose (costing me more one way or another).

It's all a moot point now because it's done and will be removed in another week, but I think after considering all angles this could have been done better or perhaps not at all. I respect those who feel differently, but from a casual count it's 75% unpopular, which is a huge majority and that much of an opinion block should be taken into account - it's clearly not just a handful of idiots that don't understand economic balance that have objected - it's a large number of players.

I have a perfectly balanced economy that produces surplus of everything, albeit sometimes with small margins on the premium resources.

I do not read the front page or the forums in detail, ever. I log straight in and do whatever maintenance work I need to do (IE finding deposits & building mines) in a timely fashion that keeps my economy running.

I have honed this through careful positioning of buildings, buying special buildings, balancing my productions chains over the course of months.

I had no idea "Production week" was coming, I have no idea what it is or what it is supposed to achieve, I have not specially stockpiled anything because I don't expect to log in after a couple of days away and find my 20,000+ iron ore stockpile is gone, that my 15,000+ copper ore stockpile is gone, and that *none* of my chains work even at the most basic level: I'm -1200 coal/12hr when I should be + 600 or so.

More, I don't expect to be called stupid by the community for playing the game this way. New features are always welcome, but this is clearly having a detrimental effect on a lot of people - it's not optional and it's broken the game for a lot of folks who put time and effort into it in ways that are not weird or unusual.

its actually optional, you can always turn off some buildings and resume your previous production, or close to anyways.

BigTim2012 it just excuses of your laziness. If you don't know where is production stop/start button cant help you. And if you think that all news are maid on main page is only for admins so be surprised its for us. Ofc lot of folks didn't read news like you but who's mistake it is? They did announce it few weeks ago before event so we all had time to prepare even if we didn't had enough time we always could reorganize production. And its really fun that you have change things up. Even about loosing guns from loots you all know few month ago... So already could be ready for iron production. So don't blame game, blame your self. All games work like this if you play it you must learn about it if you think everything stays as it was when you started so no one will play a game like this. Just adapt it.

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Originally Posted by Narcil

its actually optional, you can always turn off some buildings and resume your previous production, or close to anyways.

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That is still total BS as has been explained in many previous posts. I'll do it once more because you obviously didn't bother actually reading the previous input on the matter.

How am I supposed to compensate this "buff" with two lvl 5 and one lvl 3 bronze weaponsmiths? How do I turn of half of a lvl 3 building?

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Originally Posted by ViliusV

Well you got 2-3 weeks to produce enough 3x buffs i did my self if you couldn't produce them you can always buy it in TO. And still if you have no buff now you also can buy them from me i got 5k badge for sale.

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Well that's a lie. The only mention I can find about the production week is hidden in the Limited Offers thread under news. It was never mentioned in the news feed on the front page. That post was made on the 17th so that's 8 days before the update was introduced. 8 days is less than two to three weeks. So we got 8 days to prepare if we happened to read a post in a thread under the News and Announcement sub forum. A place where there's really no point in visiting since all the threads as locked and they are linked in from the front page.

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Originally Posted by ViliusV

BigTim2012 it just excuses of your laziness. If you don't know where is production stop/start button cant help you. And if you think that all news are maid on main page is only for admins so be surprised its for us. Ofc lot of folks didn't read news like you but who's mistake it is? They did announce it few weeks ago before event so we all had time to prepare even if we didn't had enough time we always could reorganize production. And its really fun that you have change things up. Even about loosing guns from loots you all know few month ago... So already could be ready for iron production. So don't blame game, blame your self. All games work like this if you play it you must learn about it if you think everything stays as it was when you started so no one will play a game like this. Just adapt it.

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Another one spreading lies. There was no news on the front page and the only mention I can find on the forums is from 8 days before they implemented it. It was a post in a thread. I am still waiting for an explanation on how I am to pause half of my lvl 3 bronze weaponsmith.

Why are you defending the blatant stupidity of the devs? This is a moronic design decision. There is no reason to implement it like this other than total incompetence.

Unfortunately each one of these special events brings a common foe with it, the lag monster! based on this alone its enough to get a -1 from me and a please remove. The lag does seem to have subsided now, but that still doesn't mean its okay for us to put up with it for a week or so. The amount of coin I saved in moving fee's I prolly lost on blocks gone wrong that wouldn't have happened in lag free normal play. So I gained? nothing.


As for this argument regarding preparation. I would imagine quite a few people juggle hectic real life's and this, Some days I get an hour or two to tackle household tasks while trying to get minimal things here up and running, I doubt I'm the only person like this. Not only this people prepare in different ways, for example some people may have been preparing for the removal of weapons by stocking up, other may have been preparing for the Xmas event, Some others stocking up on their favourite adventures. There is only so much that can be done.

Just so you know I have not run out of coal and nor will I before the 2 weeks ends. I still don't like the special event.

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Originally Posted by Zotamedu

. I am still waiting for an explanation on how I am to pause half of my lvl 3 bronze weaponsmith.

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Run it on Monday, pause it on Tuesday, run it on Wednesday, pause it on Thursday........are you getting the idea yet ?

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Originally Posted by Zotamedu

That is still total BS as has been explained in many previous posts. I'll do it once more because you obviously didn't bother actually reading the previous input on the matter.

How am I supposed to compensate this "buff" with two lvl 5 and one lvl 3 bronze weaponsmiths? How do I turn of half of a lvl 3 building?

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i have read the input. i just think its a pathetic excuse for laziness.

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Originally Posted by Bluesavanah

Run it on Monday, pause it on Tuesday, run it on Wednesday, pause it on Thursday........are you getting the idea yet ?

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So the way to opt out is to introduce a lot more work for me? That's not really a reasonable solution to a moronic event implemented by a bunch of monkeys.

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Originally Posted by Narcil

i have read the input. i just think its a pathetic excuse for laziness.

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So I am lazy for wanting a working game? I am lazy for not liking the entire production being messed up by a bunch of incompetent programmers that wouldn't know good game design if it bit them in the arse? Are you stupid? There is no rational reasons to defend this bonus production week. It is a moronic idea implemented by idiots. There are several ways they could have done it that did not mess things up for players. You posts have shown a complete lack of understanding of what they actually broke and you call me lazy and pathetic. Try reading it once again and don't bother replying until you get a basic grasp on the actual problems.

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Originally Posted by ViliusV

BigTim2012 it just excuses of your laziness. If you don't know where is production stop/start button cant help you. So don't blame game, blame your self. All games work like this if you play it you must learn about it if you think everything stays as it was when you started so no one will play a game like this. Just adapt it.

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Excuses for my laziness? I put HOURS into this game every day, I am not a lazy player. And no, I don't know where the "start/stop production" button is, I can't find it and didn't even know it existed until quite a long way into the period, by which time all my chains were f'd and I had to go and search to find out why. That's not me being lazy, that's a lack of clear information. If we're talking about the "Status: Working/Stopped" button on each building's info panel then that's even more ridiculous - my economy is set up so everything just stays on and runs, I shouldn't have to be turning things on and off to keep those chains balanced.

I enjoy the fact that new features are added regularly, and I explore them and use them all the time. But when something gets added that breaks the game, clearly for a lot of people, and it is hard to find out why, that's not good.

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Originally Posted by Zotamedu

Well that's a lie. The only mention I can find about the production week is hidden in the Limited Offers thread under news. It was never mentioned in the news feed on the front page.

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Not true.

Each time you log in, you get a notification ... at least, I do:

[15:04] System: Some buildings' production chains are currently more effective.

Actually, the production week is great because it removes a TON of lowlevel resources from the game.

I am currently sitting on roughly 3.5m copper ore, 5m coal and 4m pinewood that just accumulated over the course of the years, and I've burned through a good 1m coal and 300k pinewood during the event.
I still make +6k/12h Copper and gained +35k Iron Ore since the event started, but guess where these numbers would be without?


The real value of these items, lowlevel players excuse me for posting such dwindling numbers, is now significantly increased.
Players who are currently complaining about the soaring prices of these items are actually the key beneficiaries of the event:

A month ago, people would sneer at your attempts to sell coal (at all, nobody wanted it).
Now you can make a fortune by selling coal: 20-30 coins for 1k coal is possible and demand is huge!

When I started, I had to give 100 Copper Ore for a single coin, now you can get at least 6 coins for that amount.

If you simply ignored the "Bonus production week", put ALL smelters and smiths to sleep and actually sold the coal and ore... guess what? You'd be making tons of profit!
Rather than use 3 Coal and 1 Copper to make 1 Bronze Sword, stop the smelters, stop the weaponsmith, sell copper 1:1 for swords, sell the coal for profit and voila, you're not suffering but actually benefitting!

If you're buffing your buildings, please don't come whine that turning them off instead of buffing them is so much terrible extra work because that doesn't count. Period.


I think the event (aside from the lag) is good for the game.
Sorry for posting such an unpopular opinion.