There is no secret, there is RNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimhurst
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There is no secret, there is RNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimhurst
All hail the RNG!
Math.random();Quote:
Originally Posted by Koraku
try this:
Math.floor((Math.random() * 2) + 1);
there is no way someone will throw a coin and will get back the head 50 times in a row... and if there is a remote chance, there is no way it would affect so many peoples :) so no, there is no RNG, just a bad written algorithm using some pseudo random generator as in all the IT nowdays :P :)
For your claim to be true you would have to have access to privileged information.Quote:
Originally Posted by TabulaRasa
My queries would be - Can only get once from a box? Or, can you only get if you have a RPH. I got my RPH house at xmas just gone, and if the answer is yes to one or both of these questions then it could be causing zero results if the code is bugged. Some clarification would be nice to at least put peoples minds at ease :)
A bit of logical thought here helps, more than one is of no use. Therefore you can only get it once. There is no mechanic visible for all other items a player can acquire which they can't use to prevent them getting them. Therefore not having a RPH is no bar to getting the recipe.
If there's code behind the manuscripts, then it's feasible that it could be getting its knickers in a twist. Id love to know if somebody has picked one up though without a RPH. What if for example the client thinks you have already got one when you haven't.
There is a cunning secret to manuscript recipe acquisition ; after 25 fails I realised brute force wasn't the answer. I figured it out and got it immediately my next attempt. There are 2 groups of players here : Players that get it in 1-3 attempts ; Players that are still trying after 20-30 attempts. Its not RNG - there is a difference between these 2 groups. Its not hard to figure out tbh. This is a nice little puzzle here and I'm not gonna spoil it for players that like these kind of challenges but give it another few weeks and I'm sure someone will post the answer ! ( if not then I will post a spoiler alert when I hit level 75 ) :)
I havent spent a dime on this game since 2012 and still got the recipe on 2nd or 3rd attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimhurst
If thats what you're implying :)
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I think what we have here is the usual case when it comes to RNG - the most unlucky ones are the only ones to speak out, which gives us the wrong impression of the RNG in this game.
Lets see. It's possible to roll up to 99 crystal a time. This tells us with say 1000 players that means the system has to be generating 8.6 BILLION random numbers a day minimum. Out of all those rolls you needed just 1 to go the way you wanted. You have no way to prove your so called system works as you can not replicate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimhurst
The fact you got it just shows it was your time to get it, to believe anything else is just delusional.
*cough*Don't feed the troll*cough*
Was your comment meant for me ? I said its not RNG ( not entirely anyway ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorotheus
17 trys, now is 18 try , all FAIL :( .
Are people suggesting that if you buy spins with gems you are guaranteeing higher success rates?
And with the new generals, this is more of an issue to those unlucky enough to still not have it.
I myself am at around 30+ long letters without luck while someone in guild got it months ago on 2nd or so try and has been making manuscripts around the clock with barazeks. He can science up his gens as soon as they are released now while I may struggle to get 1 or 2 done :/
It will not be a struggle because it will be impossible. The science system only arrived on test today, the Gens arrive in the shop on Tuesday. There is no way we will be getting General science with just 5 days of testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koraku
There will be a few months before this goes live at least, but this recipe will be crucial. Ive had 10 tries now without luck, that's 10 tries without spending a single gem! I shudder to think how many gems have been spent by the guys on 30+ tries.
Well I hear the record attempts of trying to get the manuscript recipe is 72 tries, from a poor soul from the German servers, Don't worry, he got it on his 73rd attempt, hehe.
Well even with recipe - if we dont get another way of getting books - like in loot or something,- then it really does not matter with the gen skill tree, woul take several years to get enough books anyway.
If BB dont come up with some other way to get books - they can put the gen skill tree where the sun never shines :p
I got the manu recipe - and no I am not swimming in books - I still only skilled a few of my geos explorers, and the skills I used some of them on are highly outdated for someone my level anyway. In fact there is not much to put them on that matches my level.
I really dont need more map fragments, more whirlwind adventures, more exo wood or any other wood. I dont need marble, stone or granite, really dont need more copper ore, have no use of more beans.
Only useful thing is faster on all searches and the artifact search. The bonus quest thing was nice for some month - but dont need any more quests to do dark priest or whirlwind.
Could do with a move books for free week, and a toltal makeover of the books skill trees for geos and scouts.
So dont fuss about that manu recipe - it is not that fantastic. It is expensive and take a lot of time to make manus in rph.
Im obviously not stressing with the anticipation that general trees will be in shortly, but it requires 5 manuscripts 10 tomes 6x codexQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorotheus
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Originally Posted by Urd123
6 codex takes 18 tomes, 28 tomes take, 38 tomes take 140 manuscripts.
Being able to create those total 145 required manuscripts in RPH is a MAJOR boon
A manuscript in RPH takes 7h30, but you can reliably x4 that with a barazek, which gives you a manuscript in under 2 hours each. Compared to a a bookmaker where you can't queue books, and thus buffs are potentially completely wasted/unreliable, taking 10hrs for a manuscript.
So that RPH manuscript making is nearly a x5 production improvement on a incredibly large part of the required items needed to upgrade specialists.
+1
Even with that - I think I will have books to skill my gens in 10 years or so :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Koraku
It still take way too long to skill specialists
Increasing the drop rate of all the follow on adventures (Like return to bandit nest) would help a little bit, and ensure that you get a manuscript for a short letter quest and codex for long, like you do for normal later quests - Tome reward.
Making books in the RPH is a high level bonus which can be earned, it is not a right which all players deserve just for playing the game. There are going to be a lot of players who can only wait until they are of a high enough level to be able to do long letters, let alone dreaming of being high enough to run books or the highest level travel guides. So saying you absolutely must have the recipes so as to skill up generals is akin to a kid demanding it's parents that it needs that toy just because another kid down the street has one.
It's past the point of ridiculous with the addition of the new skill trees for generals. BB, why would you possibly do this to loyal players who have played the game for years and purchased gems? Why would you possibly create important new content and not allow some accounts to access it? As Koraku pointed out, it would take hundreds of manuscripts to book the generals. It is never going to happen for accounts that can't get the recipe. It's just adding insult to injury at this point.
I have bought gems in the past (a lot of them) so I have no idea if that's why my account is one of the penalized ones. I'd be interested in hearing how many of the accounts that can't get the recipe are gem purchasers. I don't mind spending money on a game I play as much as I did settlers, but I won't do it for content I'll never be able to use. If BB releases the skill trees for generals without fixing the manuscript issue, that will be enough for me to make the final decision to quit the
game. Even for the players where it's not the sole reason for quitting, it will be enough additional frustration to drive others out. Unfortunately, BB apparently doesn't even care enough about retaining players to pay attention to what's being said in the forum or respond to it. Sad!
I got mine after... 15-20 times trying
Trying from beginning to get a manuscript and still don't have it, its really irritating!
Even don't know how many chrytals I've burned for getting the quests, I use every opportunity to get them and I'm in premium so it must have been lots, didn't expect that it would take that long. Love the extra XP from the quests, but after opening 3 boxes again today.....:S
Same here, I have done quite a few, I did the Settlers & Bandits (Book Of Characters) one the other day and still did not get the manuscript.
Getting quite annoying now.
I think the thing that annoys me most about it is that BB won't even acknowledge the issue or make any response about it. I even put in a support ticket for it, but got no response at all from them. Yet they're putting out new content (general's skill tree) that will make a big difference in the game for players that have it. How can they not even respond on the issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by needtoplay
I'm going to keep trying regardless, but I would be curious what the odds actually areQuote:
Originally Posted by shasnas
Get in!! Got it on the 11th attempt, didn't succumb to buying gems either. but after only getting 2 evil queen & 2 lost city Ive been stuck on long letter for weeks and to have something important as the manuscript recipe at a tiny chance is criminal imho.
Absolute huge part of the game this recipe has become now, the rph is not great for tome/codex but for manuscripts they are.
Feel sry for anyone who's had over 20 attempts without success as I was raging inside on just 10 attempts!
I would hope that BB will look into fixing this issue by giving it to anyone who's had at least 15 attempts but that would be a big disruption in revenue.
As far as changing the system, I have two thoughts:
1) There is no reason why anyone must have the manuscript recipe to play/succeed. You have a book binder. It can get the job done. If you want to invest in buffs for it you can speed things up. And in the book binder it costs less.
but
2) Other recipes for the provision houses were available guaranteed for a fixed price. It seems interesting to me that the book recipes are random, therefore slightly inconsistent. If it was up to me, I would make each chance cumulative so that you were guaranteed to get it eventually - perhaps something like 2% 1st time, 4% 2nd time, 6% 3rd time, etc. up to 100% - or whatever increment would make the most sense to the devlopers.
I'm in the situation of not having it (yet) while my wife already got it, so it's especially annoying to me for that reason alone. But I can't forget point 1 above. Not having the recipe doesn't mean I can't make books, so I just have to do the best I can. (I have an Epic Farm and she doesn't so I can tease her about that :D )
I already have all 25 scouts/explorers and 5 jollies fully upgraded (at least 5 codex on each) within a few months b4 they destroyed the drop on BN. My concern is for the upcoming general tree, It will take years to upgrade 30 generals (which I assume most veteran's have) unless u have that manuscript recipe.
I can guarantee it's just become a big deal to get your hands on it, it's not worth quitting over but can become infuriating. Just ask the German guy with 73 attempts if he think it was important enough, lol.
I'm sure if the recipe was available for gems in the merchant chest it would sell instantly (just an option)
Yes...it is frustrating. 40 attempts to date, but not worth quitting.
Yes, I agree. 37 attempts for me now:(
26 and counting
Took Me 27 tries to get the manuscript recopy. It was frustrating indeed, but i am happy i did get it eventually.
40 tries is really a bit harsh. But i don't think BB will do anything to change this. They force many frustrated players to use gems on excelsior with their lower drop rates.
On the positive side i can say that i did in the process make allot of XP from the quests/adv's.
Do Bart the Barterer. Tome every time (takes me 5 manuscripts to make a tome). Better than making the manuscripts to change into tomes.
Its getting very frustrating now after so many trial still no recipe and its very very unfair while some players with a few tries got the recipe. BB shall consider putting the recipes in shop so we can buy them with gems as an option. Alternatively, BB can also consider a cue system on book binder so we can produce manuscript, tomes, codex continuously.
Like being able to have a bunch queued for unexpected down-times ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavesh2014