noob - you have 2 finesmiths or 2 simple paper
expert - you have 50 bronze weapons lvl5
feel free to share your thoughts.
ps. would be a shame to have yet another removed thread.
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noob - you have 2 finesmiths or 2 simple paper
expert - you have 50 bronze weapons lvl5
feel free to share your thoughts.
ps. would be a shame to have yet another removed thread.
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Noob most of the time as most of us continue to learn!
Expert when your island is finely balanced and doesn't rely on buffs to prevent it fully falling apart.....
lol when you send troops to a adv and send attacks without needing a guide :s
How do you produce enough copper ores supply for 50 bronze weapons lvl5?
I would call 50 bronze weopon noob.. clearly you do not know how to balance an island.
Like some posts above would love to see a screen shot of 50 level 5 bronze weopons.
Expert - when you understand what all the quests mean. :D
i have 2 finesmiths AND 2 simple paper :(
I could take a screenshot, but I deleted 25 of them to have some licenses back for bread chain (wich I just deleted just now).Quote:
Originally Posted by casel0gic
I have 3 endless copper mines with half the production time, then the other 3 normal copper mines at level 5, and 25 copper smelters at level 5 also. And around 40 cooking plants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chamois
The more balanced your island is, the less profitable, and thats why i choose only 1 big chain :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PChamps
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sk3l370n
I mean noob in a good way :) I just don´t understand the waste of precious copper ore lolz
You know you're an expert when you understand why sinking 50 deeds in to a single structure type, leveling them all up to 5, destroying half of them, rebuilding an entirely different chain of structures and leveling those up to 5 doesn't make a more profitable map than a well balanced one. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gajodoporto
Going from level 3 to 5 on the 25 you popped you lost yourself 12500gc, 12500 exotic planks, 7500 granite and 8 days upgrade downtime (200 days total)... If we are generous and use the base production time of 6 mins, your 25 are producing 1250 swords per hour, if we are even more generous and don't factor in the consumption of copper, coal and bronze then you're "profit" on these is 30000 swords per day... Being generous for a third time and using the top sale price on the Newfoundland server of 40gc/k you would be selling your swords for 1200gc "profit" each day. Even using this incredibly generous set of numbers over a month of your productivity from those 25 deeds has been lost to cover the cost of setting them up and destroying them before you see a single gold coin in "profit".
Either you manage to get your copper, coal and bronze entirely for free, your bronze swords sell for way more than 40gc/k, granite and exotic planks on your server are pretty worthless and I'm no expert or I'm missing something and I'm a noob. :p
Funny that as soon as asked they have been "deleted"Quote:
Originally Posted by gajodoporto
Anyway I would still love to see a picture of 25, I think 8 is perfect and I do adventures every single day.
I am not from your server so cant really comment but I am sure your prices pretty much match ours.. bronze weopons are not a good chain to sink your licenses, space into, there are better things that are more profitable.
You have just contradicted what you said in the last quote. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by gajodoporto
my island is welll ballenced if i buff it and i like it that way i have 85 farms 55 mills 60 bakers 6 friary's all on lvl 5 and i run 100k brew and 226k bread everyday i trade it with everything i need
i also dont need to replace wheatfields cause my 90 lvl 5 silos keep them well full :)
i call that expert :)
I think you have your noob and expert declarations reversed...
It costs me 1880 Nibs and 2360 Paper each day to make 4 Manuscripts (glue used 24/7). One level 5 finesmith can only make 920 nibs and that's even if it's buffed 24/7. So with two level 5 finesmiths you still end up a little short so technically as an expert you need three finesmiths. Now we can drop the 3rd right? Sure we can if you go the 24 hours a day buffing. But if it's twice a day from a friend for 18 hours a day then you need 3 finesmiths as an expert bookmaker not 1...
* 12 Levels worth of finesmith production (two level 5 and one level 2) x 1.75 (3/4 of the day buffed) = 1932 Nibs
Yes, I realize other books are required for science system but I take this position because what I'm interested in is still far away, even past the general and military science that is still yet to come. Manuscripts are used for all books so no overkill will occur for a long term plan.
50 Bronze Weapons level 5?! This can be reversed as well if kept within the same context you are using which has no reference to the person playing and their game play style, so therefore we must assume your average game play/pursuits. With 11 Bronze weapon makers I make exactly enough if I wish to make 2000 recruits per day, everyone gets a sword. When I turn my war machine on and make only 1600 recruits then yes I have 400 overkill that situation, that's expected as other unit types needed for different things but I don't have my bronze sword production exceed my settlers production. So once again within the context your using, 50 would/could be way overkill.
Commerce and collecting, etc., are different things. Someone makes 50 or more weapon makers then congratulations, well done. Many players get right into extremes making a certain type of item. That's what's great about this game, we can go extreme right from the start of playing it. Some players may stock up on a million or more swords, what ever they choose to do.
* Some players may not have any bronze sword production at all and just buy as needed since they are cheap to buy by the experts.
water?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower-Powers
Its easy to organize trades with friends and guild members for good rates for things you are short of or things they need. Being active and part of a community you are happy in is expert play. We don't need insane production, high maintenance islands for that.
How about this?
noob: you think you've got a good deal on TO when you buy 10k of something for a cheaper rate than you can get 1k (i.e. a few gcs per k), and you sell some of the extra that you don't need.
expert: stop trading for gcs, trade for what you're short of instead, and get an even better deal at the same time. :D
Pro -> making moves, decisions, control the market, share the wealth with guildies, tacktics, speed adventuring, planning, calculating,.. 50 bakeries teaming up with 50 bronze weapon smiths, buffing 150 baskets in 2 min without needing a list, making your own adventure guides, playing the game your way, leveling up guildies, sending out free horseback adventures in guild to new beez, teaching and learning, having fun !!
Noob -> forgetting to send the final wave in a block move, having buffed buildings run out of water, collecting dark castle's, 5 coinages with no storehouse in sight, thinking you can play this game on your own, not being aware of prices, trading your ML for a DP, asking trade price for ls's in guild, starting adventures without the troops, buffing barracks when you dont have settlers, spending al day online trying to play for free but not getting a rl job so you can buy some gemsies .DDDD
noob - have more decorative objects than factories
Expert - when you are no longer surprised when you senselessly slaughter huge numbers of cavalry or XBmen because you made a major boo-boo trying to do an adv on autopilot when you really should have been sleeping. :)
I dare you to say how much you have spent *chuckles* xQuote:
Pro -> making moves, decisions, control the market, share the wealth with guildies, tacktics, speed adventuring, planning, calculating,.. 50 bakeries teaming up with 50 bronze weapon smiths, buffing 150 baskets in 2 min without needing a list, making your own adventure guides, playing the game your way, leveling up guildies, sending out free horseback adventures in guild to new beez, teaching and learning, having fun !!
Noob -> forgetting to send the final wave in a block move, having buffed buildings run out of water, collecting dark castle's, 5 coinages with no storehouse in sight, thinking you can play this game on your own, not being aware of prices, trading your ML for a DP, asking trade price for ls's in guild, starting adventures without the troops, buffing barracks when you dont have settlers, spending al day online trying to play for free but not getting a rl job so you can buy some gemsies .DDDD
what are you using? my cooldown alone takes 1.1 sec..Quote:
Originally Posted by KingRob
decided to build again, bread chain is so boring:Quote:
Originally Posted by PChamps
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You know your a total noob when you delete 25 lvl 5 buildings to build a new chain, decide you dont want them, delete and build back the old chain...Quote:
Originally Posted by gajodoporto
Hilarious. :D
not really mate, beeing lvl50 for some time now gets boring
I have been lvl 50 for a long time now I am not bored... and definatly dont make such wastes as that. If I was going to waste all that resource I would rather help out fellow low level guild members.Quote:
Originally Posted by gajodoporto
I belive a noob can make great things and an expert stupid mistakes and the other way around :)
depends how you see that, a lvl 1 noob cannot make cannoneers until lvl 48, so no a noob cannot make many great things until they have lvled up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KorinaS
Been thinking about this for a while now.
A no0b asks for help in G1 even if they are gulded, an expert virtually lives in Help.
This is not trolling, but if you need more silos than farms you have done something wrong when you placed them. I wouldn't call that being an expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower-Powers
I see that there are some people that uses a lot of licenses on one production line. That must mean that you spend almost all of the time doing trades to get what you need. And doesn't that make your economy very vulnerable to price changes? I can understand a slight overproduction of a few resources for trade, but 50 fully upgraded copper smelters and bronze sword smiths seems a bit over the top to me.
noob: when you have no idea what SOTV means
expert: losing patience after telling the dumb noob 15 times what SOTV means
btw, can anyone tell me what SOTV means
It means you would have been happier if your explorer had just found map fragments like he normally does.
SOTV ... Sons Of Tailor Valiant?
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I would tell you what the letters stand for, but the mods don't approve of the use of expletives :)
Something of terrible value.
Shepherd of the Valley ?
No no no nooooo.Quote:
The more balanced your island is, the less profitable, and thats why i choose only 1 big chain
If you have ALL of 1 resource you are tied to market forces, if you island balances you aren't.
50 lvl 5 BWS ?
I fail to see who this is profitable
in 24hours 1 at best will knock out 1120 B.S x 50 is 56k per day @ 35gc a k that's 1960gc per day....not really a mountain of wealth.
SOTV Settlers Online Television :? I mean the backstage videos or something :P
So anyway. In my point of view a noob is quite erratic and brave enough to force unknown things until the last limits, while feel shame to ask -- just to demonstrate the level of expertism. In contrast the expert knows when and what to ask to assess the possibilities, and able to reach compromise with them -- just for own and others fun and satisfaction. We are all noobs while playing only according to very own excogitation and (pre)conceptions, and became expert when can find balance between intentions and "legal" possibilities, solve tasks for fun without it became everyday routine, enjoy and set new challanges, aiming to develop and incorporate new aspects.
On other hand to be a noob is not a shame, to be an expert is not a glory -- all of us born naked, and play for themselves. The best thing about this game is that there are no strictly declared goals, required tasks. Infinitely can be played at lower levels as well, all progress depends on your own decision and inquisitiveness.