PH2 and map fragments

The PH2 is worth it, but map fragments are now virtually worthless and it seems pretty pointless sending scouts out looking for adventures unless they come back with a Nords these days.

Many-a-player's trade system has collapsed as mfs are now trading at just 2gcs a piece (if you're lucky). Whilst I welcome BB's new content, the economy seems to be in decline in this instance and I really don't know where this is going to lead in the future - or maybe there's a bigger picture we don't yet know about?

I truly hope BB add the More Secluded Experiments and Return to Bandits Nest to the adventure finding haul (rather than to be purchased for mfs in store later), else my scouts are virtually redundant in this regard...

These are just my own thoughts on this issue, please feel free to add yours...

all i can think of is that they want to recycle old players who have stuck around too long for new players who buy gems

Unfortunately i already invested books on my explorers' skills for finding more map fragments. I also lost around 10k gc for stockpiling 2k mf and 5 BK adventures.

Life is life. Didn't happened elseway many times. But don't panic, hold your breath and wait a few days. Prices of papers and nibs will raise soon over the clouds, becouse not enough on market. And when everyone has bought all of advs in merchant, try to sell the rest MFs. And then map fragment get a bit stronger again, becouse them resources were more expensive...

yes but this way some adv like bandits nest are back in play. Not to mention surprize atack(500 mf).

Honestly I gave up sending explorers for adventure searches ages ago so its a real boon to me, plus it actually gives some variety to the adventures I can now do. I do think its a shame that those who very recently invested heavily in explorers are now feeling aggrieved. I think there must come a point soon where there should be a free refund of all books invested, maybe run it for a month or so.

but now we will buy more adventure with mf.
BK, RB, Surprise Attack, pirates, bandit nest

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Originally Posted by Bluesavanah

its a shame that ... ... ... there should be a free refund of all books invested

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For god sake, why do you think so? Prices fluctuates of gamers own volition and it is a common behavior. There is no and should not be any morality in this. Instead of moralizing should be circumspect.

Firstly. It is rely on demand. Nearly all the products are consumable arbitrary amount, anyway. The exceptions are e.g. the books: they are not tradable and need only a certain amount. Whilst this amount could be well-planned, its resources are not so. Though resources are tradable, but theoretically could be a situation when no one need more, then rest become garbage and related buildings too. Insomuch as they more or less resource-intensive, would not be wise to let them remain for nothing, also replan and rearrange a half economic system when science system looks ready. So the gameplay balance...

Secondly. Map fragments price calculation was unequivocal on resources basis (gc+sausages), so it was nearly invariable before the sci.sys. When sci.sys came, the personal priorities, investments (to reduce resources) and so on made differences between gamers calculations, consequently prices started to differ, mostly got lower in TO, day by day slowly. So "those who very recently invested heavily in explorers" are as much a cause of changes, even if at first it does not seem to. So no cause to feel aggrieved.

Thirdly. I can't remember, anyone complained about price of water and marble at halloween event. Why? it was a good business nearly without risks? Market is such like this. Sometimes above, other times below. A few day price fluctuation is not the end of the world, nothing collapsed. The use and popularity of MF is changing, and will find its place in eco system soon, on all the TSO players' decision, like other stuffs did and do continuously.

Ive also only just noticed that Stealing from the Rich is not available from mfs, so there's still another reason to send my scouts out. Not as bad as I first thought as trades still to be had on that score :)

Unfortunately there wont be no refund in books already spent. I too invested in find more mfs, (3 tomes each on 14 fast scouts) ouch! Im not too bothered about the mfs as ill never need to make them (I use those resources to make books all day long), but the price of book resources has shot up because of these changes. At least now can we finally have a building queue for the bookbinder? I think its long overdue.

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

For god sake, why do you think so? Prices fluctuates of gamers own volition and it is a common behavior. There is no and should not be any morality in this. Instead of moralizing should be circumspect.

Firstly. It is rely on demand. Nearly all the products are consumable arbitrary amount, anyway. The exceptions are e.g. the books: they are not tradable and need only a certain amount. Whilst this amount could be well-planned, its resources are not so. Though resources are tradable, but theoretically could be a situation when no one need more, then rest become garbage and related buildings too. Insomuch as they more or less resource-intensive, would not be wise to let them remain for nothing, also replan and rearrange a half economic system when science system looks ready. So the gameplay balance...

Secondly. Map fragments price calculation was unequivocal on resources basis (gc+sausages), so it was nearly invariable before the sci.sys. When sci.sys came, the personal priorities, investments (to reduce resources) and so on made differences between gamers calculations, consequently prices started to differ, mostly got lower in TO, day by day slowly. So "those who very recently invested heavily in explorers" are as much a cause of changes, even if at first it does not seem to. So no cause to feel aggrieved.

Thirdly. I can't remember, anyone complained about price of water and marble at halloween event. Why? it was a good business nearly without risks? Market is such like this. Sometimes above, other times below. A few day price fluctuation is not the end of the world, nothing collapsed. The use and popularity of MF is changing, and will find its place in eco system soon, on all the TSO players' decision, like other stuffs did and do continuously.

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I think so because the science system for explorers only just came out, It does not affect me in anyway whatsoever because I didn't invest in that tree but I bet those who did feel cheated. Maybe IF all the gem purchasable adventures were findable that would be compensation enough.

Compensation for what?

I did invest in the explorer tree, and do not feel cheated. I suppose it does depend on what you invested in. I often get the 2x adv, or the bonus quests, and as has been mentioned before, there is not all adventures you can buy with mf. Sometimes I even get a Rainbow buff, I'm less excited when I get a single fish platter...

I though that the prices for mf would drop with the introduction of the explorer skills, they did not (atleast there was not a noticeable drop on Newfoundland). So some people benefited for a while with trading them at the "old" prices. Good for them:)

With every new introduction from BB the balance in game changes, I do not see that as a bad thing. Sometimes your economy benefits from it, sometimes you might loose out. I have rebuilt and changed things on my island several times, and will probably do it again

Personally I like the mf aspect - as it means it's less of a hassle getting adventures that I like to play, and I love the reduced clicking for the deposits - now I just want a "Barracks version 2"

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

Compensation for what?

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For the fact that most of the stuff an explorer brings back is now worth 50% less than it was for a start, obviously the stuff that was worth nothing is still worth nothing. The good adventures like Nords are still valuable. I don't know why your mentioning water and such everyone had prior warning that was coming at Halloween.

I realised the whole map frag market effect almost too late. Wasn't until I actually got the rarity prov house and actually looked into magic ink that i realised this may have an affect on the prices. I scrambled to the TO to check it out. To my chagrin prices had slumped to less than half. So I sold all my map frags instantly for 2coins per. A massive loss but I was happy I got that much for them. Price still seems to be falling.

While I am a little bummed about the prices, at the end of the day I am assuming I will still be able to sell my map fragments. Sure I won't get as much as I did before, but its still a profitable enterprise. I am sure the market will stablise due to supply and demand and hopefully people will still want to buy map frags.

At the end of the day, new things thrown into the game will affect the market place. It is up to us smart cookies to anticipate this and react quickly and go with the flow. As for skill tree investments...I also invested in map frags. Luckily for me I only did 2 explorers. So not a big deal. But I do feel for those that have 14 explorers and have done them all for map frags. I am hoping map frag price will still be profitable anyways. Wont be as good as it was, but might not be as bad as we think either...maybe

Right. Everybody could know, PH2 and new buffs come, that was announced. :rolleyes: Prices are specified by gamers in TO. :p As others mentioned above, explorers' sci.sys is still worth it. :eek:

I personally invested a lot in explorers (have all 17 availables), and was upgrading them to bring back more mf (had 8 already done), so this change is not welcome for me. It was my main income (reselling mf's and good advs). I had made this choice of investment, but now I need to rethink it. The only 2 goods advs. now we can get are sftr and nords. Hope that BB will introduce new adv availables in the searches. I think we could expect a raise in Nords price, as less explorers will hunt for them. (hey BB, how about making Nords2 availables in searches ;))

I invested a fair bit as well (3 explorers, 18/21 books all the way up the ladder each). I'm not that bothered by the change. Yes, every time BB does something the economy gets radically affected. The good part is we *KNOW* that BB will do something to effect the economy. Sometimes we know exactly what and when (via the test servers / bulletin updates). And even if we do not know the specifics, we know 'something' is comming.

So its up to us to prepare the best we can or.... insist on a stagnant game. I'd rather not have the game remain still without new updates and features.

So a tip to others:
Do not get so heavily bogged down in any one strategy -- it can be turned topsey-turvey in a week.
Remain agile, flexible, ready to adapt to shifting strategies and effects on the game economy.
Don't spend too much time 'saving' for tomorrow what resources you have today... for today you know its worth, tomorrow it is a gamble.

As for those who invested in explorers:
There IS a 50% free refund. (Not sure how that works if you have 1 codex invested, so be careful, might get 0)
There is a 100% refund option for gems (not great, but at least an option).

I'd say refunds are one of the places where you might want to invest some gems. Keep in mind that the prices of books will keep rising. Losing some of your books will not slow down the price growth, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by TotoMok

There IS a 50% free refund. (Not sure how that works if you have 1 codex invested, so be careful, might get 0)

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According to the rules of rounding: till .5 down, over up. So odds are "lossmaking", 1 codex refund should be 0... (Just try it, brings up a message with refundable amounts, and you have to accept or cancel by button, so it is safe.)

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Originally Posted by Bagster

I personally invested a lot in explorers (have all 17 availables), and was upgrading them to bring back more mf (had 8 already done), so this change is not welcome for me. It was my main income (reselling mf's and good advs). I had made this choice of investment, but now I need to rethink it. The only 2 goods advs. now we can get are sftr and nords. Hope that BB will introduce new adv availables in the searches. I think we could expect a raise in Nords price, as less explorers will hunt for them. (hey BB, how about making Nords2 availables in searches ;))

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Price only can drop because now surprise attack is cheaper than nords and much better.
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Price mf will go up, will be lack of intermediate paper. Now everyone have a lot intermedia paper but after 1-2 month will be very hard buy intermedia paper.
Never be back to old price, but i remember time when mf was 7gc+

Cheaper mf is better for players who play adventure, if you want profit from mf play adventure

Inter paper is just made with HWL, I imagine plenty of others currently have a huge surplus of HWL and HWP that can easily get switched to Inter paper production. I don't see mf ever recovering above 3gc myself.

I do think BB should offer free book resets because they introduce one set of functionality and then introduce another set that makes the first set redundant with little warning. If they had said that they would make map frags producible one day, I would never have upgraded my explorers in the way that I did. They don't seem to have joined up thinking in their approach to the game, unless the whole thing was a deliberate attempt to force people to need to gem reset their science trees. Same with the new epic workyards, they are huge and will require lots of buildings to be knocked down. Getting all buildings to level 5 takes a lot of time, when you do reach that destination you find again the rug has been pulled out from under your feet. They should have made L6/L7 buildings available. They seem to be concentrating on trying to destroy the higher level players games whilst giving constant new advantages to newer players. Soon new players will be hitting level 50 in a month or two if they keep cheapening things the way they are doing. I invested books in adventure searches, luckily I saw the problem coming and sold all my reserves of Map frags before the price crashed but nothing I can do about the books without taking a hit.

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Originally Posted by baggis

... Soon new players will be hitting level 50 in a month or two ...

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lol

If you play the game to an obsessive level you could manage 50 in 6 months or so, If you went premium from the start maybe 3 months but 1 month never going to happen.

My point was - first they introduced premium: +50% XP, then they introduce map frag production: mass producible Surprise Attack. If they keep introducing these sorts of changes it will end up that way. You used to have to fight for every resource to get the adventures to get the XP. Now it's increasingly getting handed on a plate.

prem made a huge difference, with the introduction of fairy tales and prem i did lvl 48-50 in 2 weeks. took me about 1 month to do lvl 47 with RB. 126k xp on CLT with prem and your making alot of coins at the same time. too easy i'd say and the cheap MF makes it easier for lower lvl's now. at least that has balanced the game a bit more. no point of later 40's being quicker than the rest